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:thumbsup:

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Thats beautiful workmanship!!!

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Such a great looking restore

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Thank you guys really appreciate i

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Well I was having fun until I started doing the wiring for the dash and plumbing for airbrakes inside the cab , The wiring consist of all the normal stuff Plus tailgate lock , tailgate raise , air mudflaps , PTO, train horns , these all Run on Mac solenoid air valves , then you got low air switches low air buzzers, air brake light switch , then I put transmission temperature gauge to differential gauges so wiring those all in 's, spotlights , all the wiring for air-conditioning , Electric fuel pump , Etc. etc.
I will be so glad when I get this part all done and get back putting the rest of the cab together , had the panels made for the dash I want to go original but just couldn't make them look like I wanted them to look

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Take your time on the wiring for sure. lol

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Well I'm getting back on schedule had a little motor problem I had to dismantle the truck take the motor out She's just about done except for the interior and the dump box

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Another pic

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Looking for a straight stock big truck bumper if anybody knows where one is

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Donny the black background behind the grille and hood definitely is a nice finishing touch to the correct details of these trucks!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

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Has anyone ever seen a 60-66 GMC with Black paint behind the grill? Every one I've ever seen was solid body color unless it was made by Chevrolet. Maybe big trucks were done this way and 1000 series were not? educate me once again

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That's because all the GMC trucks you've seen have been repainted, you find an original and you will see the black background behind the grille as well as the hood and center piece of the hood. Original literature pics confirm this:lolsmack2:

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Your Truck is really coming together! As far as the bumper goes...

Hard to tell its condition or even if it will fit plus it's a different style bumper;
(cleaner looking I think). He's selling the whole truck,
but he also parts them out too.



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Here's a pic more to come

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This is one I took apart

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I saw that truck on craigslist as well , yes I think that was the lighter duty trucks did had that bumper , I have a couple that style that are Real straight
Ryan to use period Correct going to try to make one it doesn't turn out I will have to use that style thanks for the pic

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Here you go Pete - this is my 100% untouched never repainted 1964 Custom Cab GMC. As you can see, there is no Black paint behind the grill, and there never was. No black paint behind the grill on the 65 Suburban I sold that had 100% original paint either. It had a solid Terrace Blue grille support just like you see on this light green colored truck. We need Jon Krogh to weigh in - he's got some original factory paint trucks and from the pics I saw none of his had black paint behind the grill on his either. Maybe certain assembly plants sometimes used the Chevy-like Black grille support paint, but the non-repainted original survivors around here don't seem to have it, and I've so far never seen one anywhere. There was an untouched Maroon 66 GMC with factory paint in the junkyard last year and I bought that grill and support panel and sold them - no black paint.

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I've worked on many original trucks that had the black backgrounds, many were faded and almost hard to see, the black was a very thin coat. You will find that factory pics support that the black background. It's understandable some trucks may have not been painted that at times. A good example is of a truck with the black background was that 62 barn find. Go into the archives and check it out.

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I know on the bigger trucks That the piece that surrounds the grill is larger than on the pick ups as you can see from this pic this truck has never been painted and it was black behind the grill , in my opinion I think it looks better makes the grill standout

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if that is off a GMC its the first time I've ever seen a GMC support with Black behind the grill like all the Chevrolet trucks had. A guy I know up in Spokane WA has a veritable ton of these grille supports and loose 60-66 GMC parts etc and he said all his are solid body color too - he said he's never seen one with the Black either. This is certainly strange for sure - he is sending me pics of all his factory paint ones so I will share. Gotta be something written about this in the factory paint regulations if anyone has them - don't think my books have anything about 60's GMC paint regs but will check

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So, just so you all know why it matters to me, I am about to have my 65 Suburban re-painted and was expecting to paint the grille support solid body color as per my belief that all 1000 series pickups (or at least all Custom Cab trucks anyway) had solid color grille supports vs Chevrolet which did a three color grille support on its C-10's adding a White band around the Black center section. I always thought GMC just took the time and cost out of painting its grill supports any special way and opted for the solid color grill supports to simplify assembly line painting.
Now I have to re-think this idea a bit and decide what I think about adding the Black if its something pretty common that others have observed and I have somehow missed over my years of observation and learning about 60's GMC's....

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Chevrolet trucks without the white band still had the black back ground as well. For some reason there were inconsistencies with the black backgrounds on some trucks. Possibly the assembly plant ran out of flat black paint or it was just a quality control issue like some plant employees figured they could get by without this procedure. Included is a factory pic showing the black background. It is one of the details of these trucks that has nearly disappeared since most of these trucks have been repainted and body shops have paid no attention to this detail, and that's real easy to overlook. I painted a 66 GMC back in 2002 for a customer, I was definitely concerned to get all that right. After getting the truck all done I took pictures and noticed that I didn't paint behind the grille, I did get the hood background though so I had to go back and paint behind the grille. When you compare one of these trucks with the black background vs one without it is a noticeable difference and the one with the black background looks far better:upyes:

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The paint regs don't even mention the tailgate letters, they're more so for two tone combinations. The guy with the supports never seen any black but then how many have original pant?

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Here's a 1965 factory assembly line photo, as you can see it looks black behind those grilles and hood specifically with the truck in the background with the white grille. Now the photo of the 60 or 61 shows the black after the grille was removed, a perfect example of how after 50 years the thin coat of flat black fades and literally just washes away:bump5::bump5:

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Well, I am glad you posted this assembly line black and white picture, because I can see past the edge of the front trucks' grille on the drivers side and tell the support is definitely not black behind it - I don't have the best eyes in the world but I'd say that picture definitely looks to show a solid body color grille support like my 64....

You asked how many original paint grill supports my friend has, and I honestly don't know yet - he's digging through them now. I know he has disassembled a bunch of 60's GMC's and very very few Chevrolets so 99% of his stash is off GMC's so we'll see what he digs up and see if anything he has shows us anything new

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They must've made them both ways because the second truck in line
I snapshoted it and blew it up and it's definitely black behind the grill
Can't really tell if it was a custom cab it is a panel truck though

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I don't know I blew the first Truck picture up sure looks black to me
Let me know what you think

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Donny, if you look to the left of the "G" letter the part of the panel just to the right of the headlight appears darker than the grille. This particular pic is harder to distinguish but the truck behind it definitely depicts a black background, same with the prior pic of the red 4wd.

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It doesn't matter to me who is right or wrong in this case, but making judgments off low resolution black and white photos is not definitive. Any color back behind a white foreground object, completely shaded, will appear black in this type of photo. You still have the lack of lighting into the background area of the grill with the truck in front, so same lighting principal applies. It may be black, though it does not look as black as the bumper; or it could be body color just shaded so it looks darker. Sorry, but that is just the nature of the photography and lighting. The red truck is a better argument, but something tells me there is no real resolution to this argument as different plants probably did different things. Mine appears to be and always have been the same as the body color. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. That's my two cents and is worth even less. :)

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All you can tell on this one is that there is white over-spray from someone who got lazy freshening up the grill.



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Could be one of the seven wonders of the world Lol , I remember a couple of my dads friends that bought Gmc Ten Wheeler dump trucks New 65 and 66 when I was a kid ,
now these are big trucks and they were painted black behind the grill from the factory
As a kid I used to polish on these trucks Every weekend my dad had a 62 Chevy dump truck always like the GMC trucks better , seem to be more of those around in those days

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Here's a pic of a 60 GMC magazine add, black background and you can see the transiting from light blue to black right below the "G" and "C" letters.

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The upload failed the first time:lolsmack2:, this should do it!

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So the problem with pre-production GM photos like the 60 GMC in the above ad is that so many were photographed with all kinds of non-production features GM designers were playing around with at the time - this truck for example does not have the chrome around the windshield, but in production probably would have. Many 1950's and 60's GM pictures show odd-ball paint schemes that never made it to the production line. GMC played with the idea of painting its cabs white like Chevrolet during the late fifties but of course ended up doing its own thing.

My friend in Spokane sent this photo of a GMC grille support off a real production truck that has never been repainted - its exactly like my green 64 was and like Alex' Green truck is. This photo shows all we need to know to know that solid body color is correct for grille support repaints, and if anyone wants to do the Chevy-style Black paint behind them that should be considered correct as well. I do wonder what color Ed Snyders' Dads Suburban had - the body color or Black behind that grille.....

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Well like I say this is a picture of one that hasn't been repainted and this is not from a friend this is from a truck I took apart never been repainted if you want to come look at it you are more than welcome
And it is from a GMC 6500 series Not a Chevy

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Here are pics of an original 61 from the sites photo album that the owner contributed as pics of original details for restorations. From what I've researched I will not deny that many trucks just came with the body color rather than black, Yet many trucks also came with the black background, so why did GMC do that? Ed Snyder's green 66 built in Fremont was body colored, the 66 I painted was also a Fremont truck but had the black background, I would think it was some sort of quality control issue. As far as the Chevy style, GMC never painted the white surround in that area.

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Pic 2

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My Dad's one ton Suburban, which he bought new and has never been repainted, came from the Pontiac, Michigan, plant with body color behind the grille.

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So what we can conclued from all this is you can pretty much do what you want as there will always be someone with info to back up your claim. Painted Black or Body color the choice is yours. Its just a hobby and should be fun, once its no longer fun, its time to find a new hobby.