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This is in General discussion bc it says "any topics that dont fit other categories..."


What do you guys think about all this terrorism stuff? Ive never been a paranoid type but lately I've been looking at the whole "what can I do to keep my family safe" type stuff.

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Hope this doesn't set off a big discussion that will lead no where and solve nothing - but I just need to let my feelings known to others as any American has the right to do as a Constitutional Right. First, the news media is giving the terrorist exactly what they want - coverage that only promotes their dirty deeds as headlines news which in turn drives more sadistic animals to follow their actions into some hope of gaining unworldly rewards. The world media should and needs to honor the unfortunate victims and nations only and give the aggressors/terrorist no recognition in their actions. True, terrorists think nothing of dying for their beliefs - why not give them nothing - no names and no religious background just a head count of the the undesirables involved and end of story. As far as gun control goes by thinking to stop the nations' shooting/murders by restricting the United States Citizens Right to Bear Arms and Gun ownership is totally ludicrous - during World War II one of the main reasons mainland United States wasn't invaded was do to the fact that the "undesirables" knew U.S. citizens had a weapon in every home. As the old sayings goes "when guns are outlawed - only outlaws will have guns". My .45 ACP will have to be pried from my cold dead hands before it will be surrendered and only after a fight. Thank You and God Bless America!

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As a follow -up to my previous thread - I do have a "Concealed Weapons Permit - the Right to Carry" and again "God Bless America"

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Could not be said any better

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Greetings to all!

I might as well throw in my two cents worth here as well. First and foremost, I usually make it a habit to avoid political discussions, because let's face it, there are those who would love to change our Constitution, and take away our Second Amendment Right to keep and bear arms. Beside that, political discussions have a tendency to turn friends into enemies, especially if your views are different. That having been said, I think it is time that we have term limits on our elected representatives. Many have been in Washington D.C. for far too long and have forgotten that they represent the good folks of their respective districts and States, and have chosen instead to let special interest groups with big money influence their decisions. I think it's time to put people in office with good old common "horse sense" to put our country back on the right track. As to the terrorism thing, I think that it is absolutely reprehensible, and not enough is being done to contain and stop our enemy in their tracks. I'll shut up now, I've said my piece. I hope I didn't offend anyone here, and I hope it doesn't get me kicked out of the club. This is my favorite forum, and I enjoy the online friendships that I have made here, and it would be a darn shame to lose all that I have gained here.

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french citizens don't have any guns. seems to me that is where the worst of the mass killings took place. gun control wont work for this situation. these cowards always go where there is no opposition to strike, take the guns, give them more targets. as far as the 355 mass shootings in this country this year, how many of them were gangs shooting other gangs? the press doesn't give that info. this is a completely separate issue. as long as there are gangs and terrorists out there, i'm going to defend my family!
sorry to rant and rave, but that is how i feel.

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Greetings ilvracn!

I am in total agreement with you on this. It's been proven that gun control doesn't work, and these idiots perpetrating the gun crimes we are hearing about are targeting areas where guns are not allowed, and/or banned! Who in their right mind would target an area where they know that there would be a very good possibility that they would themselves be shot, injured, or killed? Geez! what did just say? I have to correct myself here just a little bit! I forgot about the suicide bombers who think that by sacrificing themselves that there will be 72 virgins waiting on the other side! I think all they will find is a place that is very very warm with no virgins! Placing further restrictions on gun ownership will do nothing to stop what happened in Paris France, or San Bernardino CA, and it is time for the current Presidential administration to call it what it is--an act of terrorism, and not workplace violence!

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Hello All,

I’ll chime in here at the risk of possibly offending someone – not my intention and I’ll cover several issues we face. For every line of reasoning I put forth below, there is probably a counter argument……. I speak from the ‘Point of View’ as an elected official, who has had to deal with limiting our citizens’ right to bear arms, BTW I was able to kill the Ordinance before it was brought to the floor.


First, let me say that I so strongly believe in Term Limits, that I imposed a 2 term limit on myself (St. Tammany Parish Council has no term limits). This SUBJECT may be the ONE thing that will break the logger jam in Congress. Many of those in Congress are so busy trying to keep the job, they are forgetting to DO the job – and that is to work toward a common defense and the welfare of our citizens. However, Term limits cuts both ways, you hurt the good ones with the bad.


I’ll be the first to admit that Founding Fathers (FF) of our great nation could not envision the leaps in weapon technology or in our communications technology– but they DID foresee the Govt. could abuse their power.


I have gotten into some very heated arguments with some associates (stick any title you need to in there) that feel that the time has come to limit the access to personal firearms, they base their argument on the above that the Founding Fathers could not foresee machine guns or other weapons of multiple cartridge capacity and because of such the Second Amendment should not apply! My counter to that line of reasoning is that the Founding Fathers could not have possible foreseen the changes in technology in dealing with a ‘Free Press’, which as you know is the First Amendment. Remember we’ve moved from scrolls and clay tablets to printing presses and now electronic media. Should we abandon these new methods as well? – Of course not, we wish to be an educated populace.


The FF, knew based on their past collective histories, that a Government without checks and balances, is a government that is dangerous. That’s WHY they structured the Constitution and Bill of Rights the way they did.


The problem as ‘I’ see it, is that we’ve become so nervous of offending someone, that we’ve don’t do anything at all in most cases (we’re forced to be Reactionary vs. being Proactive). What many in Congress have seemly forgotten is that ANYONE who devises/offers/attempts to act AGAINST our citizens or our country should be treated as an enemy combatant (whether it be a US Citizen or outsider). The slippery slope comes into play as to WHO are those persons to DECIDE what defines who an enemy combatant is? – Is it simply someone who speaks about govt. injustice? Or someone who speaks up in order to incite a plan and carry out an attack? I believe the latter. This question is much harder to answer than you can imagine.



So the question remains - How do we manage to screen those who wish to do harm vs. those who don’t? I don’t have any answer, but I can tell you this; limiting the Right to Keep and Bear Arms of a free society IS NOT THE ANSWER. Besides, no one has devised a fool proof plan to keep weapons out of the hands of Criminals - therein lies the rub.


The Right to Keep and Bear Arms has its roots as far back as 1689 under English law, The Bill of Rights Act, 1689 allowed for Protestant citizenry to "have Arms for their Defense suitable to their Conditions and as allowed by Law," and restricted the right of the English Crown to have a standing army or to interfere with Protestants' right to bear arms. It also established that regulating the right to bear arms was one of the powers of Parliament and NOT of the Monarch. Sound familiar?


IF Congress changes our right to bear arms, we might as well surrender.
I'll go back in the Garage now so the grenades can be tossed at me.

Jake

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Just out of curiosity what more should be done?
They are not a country, so economic sanctions will be ineffective.
The US has, as of about a month ago, ran over 6,300 bombing runs on Daesh known supply routes and bases (news article in the paper the other day indicated we are scrambling for more bombs because we are exhausting our supplies). We have been using targeted drone strikes (which the media vilifies the President for, as if they are worse than bombings and/or soldiers when it comes to civilian casualties).
Our allies combined have only attributed about a quarter (1/4) of that amount.

That the President is trying to keep our soldiers, for the most part, out of the conflict is, in my opinion, a good idea. Of course that the US contributes to these things in the first place is just as stupid, but a policy we have followed for decades (centuries?)

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One of the arguments I have also heard, when talking about religions, is that the founders could not have foreseen what the Muslims were capable of, or else there wouldn't be freedom of religion.

Which is sad since the founders most certainly understood what religion is capable of, which is why none is allowed to be recognized as an official country religion and why no religion is allowed to be over the government. Since Jefferson owned a Koran, I think he understood the religion (especially since he -agreed- that Jesus was just a prophet, not son-of-God). Plus we had trade dealings with foreign countries of various religions (the trade agreement which states we are not a Christian nation for instance).

The argument against weapons, when they say that the founders couldn't imagine the type of weapons we have now, or that they didn't mean military weapons, falls flat when you understand that they -did- mean all weapons, especially military ones. If you could afford it, you could own a cannon if you wanted to.
-I am not saying everyone should have an atom bomb, however-

The founders were quite adamant, that the government should not have a standing army (because standing armies lead to tyranny) which is why there is only an authorization to call up the militia of the states to defend the nation, and why there is a limitation of 2 years on any funding for the army. Knowing the safety of trade across the ocean was important is why a navy was authorized.
We seem to have standing armies today, and no militias. And we have been accusing the government of tyranny. go figure.

Exactly.

True.
So, where do you stand on the "no-fly list" issue (or is that what you were talking about...)? The President has asked that those people be barred from being able to purchase guns. Congress has said no, they should be able to.
Both reasonings appear sound, if we think they are terrorists so they are not allowed on planes, why are we allowing them weapons, but since the list -may- include people who are not terrorists then we shouldn't ban them from having weapons?

I would think that keeping them from weapons would be prudent, but also really investigating the list and maybe removing people who shouldn't be on it would also be prudent.
-=Not that it would stop things like the San Bernadino shooting, where the man was a US citizen and had never been in trouble nor had any ties to any organization... and bought the rifles before he met his wife.=-

However, as has been pointed out, our methodology tends to be extreme, such as the internment of US citizens during WWII. The US policy seems to be "go overboard on everything".

Especially when we, the US, are often the guilty party when it comes to creating the hate groups which fight us. Often they are the ones we helped previously, to get their country back and -surprise- they didn't want us to rule them either (ie. Al Qeada and their predecessors, and likely the Daesh since they were part of the Syrian rebels we were supporting)

Jake[/QUOTE]

-<edited down to address specific comments, although everything I said could easily apply to the entire, well written, "speech">-

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What I would like to add is those that claimed that our founding father's couldn't forsee machine guns or other weapons that had multiple capacity need to do some research. During the American Revolution there already was a gun similar to The Gatlin gun and other types that would shout multiple rounds such as a pistol that shot 6 rounds at one pull of the trigger. Even so this is irrelevant because the 2nd ammendment gives the right to the people to arm themselves from tyranny whether foreign and domestic. Anti-gun politicians make claims that citizens don't need multiple capacity weapons to go hunting or protect themselves from burglars.:pullinghairout: Are they trying to play the American people as fools? Yet the second ammendment has nothing to do with hunting or protection from burglars, it's sole purpose is to protect us from Tyranny:upyes:

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I think our best shot is keep killing the leaders with drones and hope the Russians bomb everything and everybody until the wicked are dead. If there are innocent people there, they should escape to the desert and leave the devils under the city so the Russian dumb bombs can blow them out. They are not a trained army, their wins have been by suicide and one sided attacks. As soon as they see big defeat they will strip off their black jump suits and disappear back to their goats and mud houses in a New York minute. Our guys are there to identify and "mark" the targets for air attack. All these types know they must hide amongst the people to be safe from the politically correct U.S. bombs but they forgot Russia doesn't care. Go Russia!!!!!!!!! Notice they don't really use all those captured HumVees and Tanks for anything except a secret parade. There are no new photos of them even in parades. We would love them to bring them out in the open. Lot's of fun would happen. I think it's so funny that their heaven has all the excesses and wild pleasures that are forbidden here on earth. 24 Virgins and all that. So is it strictly wrong and against there belief and they will kill you if you do any of it but so good that it will make you want to kill yourself??????????? and be a martyr?? What the HE!! is that?

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Heck, I guess I'll throw in my $.02...

In general, it amazes me how much reference/passion/honor/etc there is of the U.S. Constitution/founding fathers from the 1700's, yet for generations afterwards, our government bullied the American Indians, and allowed slavery. Seems ironic...

This is the only reason I did not join the military, as I don't trust our government. And in my opinion, they don't have the best track record.

Based on the world we live in today and the number of pies we have stuck our finger in, I predict it will only get worse. I hope and pray that our country and allies will be strong enough and intelligent enough to pull together as one team, and destroy evil.

There will come a time when we will have to make a decision that we are at war. And war, has no rules (or constitution). War also forces you to pick a side, which in many cases, results in additional challenges.

Until that time, evil is in all shapes/sizes/***/race/religions. The more evil we are exposed to, the greater chance our society becomes immune to it. This has happened to other countries, and can happen to our country too if we don't come together and do something about it.

I'm in my mid-40's, and the only time in my life I can remember our country not being in conflict with "each other", is during a short period after the 9/11 attacks. Democrat, Republican, Black, White, gays, etc... Didn't matter, for a short period, we united. Of course, it didn't take long before we were back to our usual ways of tearing each other down.

Lets hope it doesn't take another 9/11 attack to pull us back together.

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It's good to see all you guys agreeing for the most part. I've been reading up on the region alot lately and how things have gone sideways in the past regarding muslims.

(Here's me stepping in it with both feet, lol)

I think it's kinda like the old days when they used to attack us (1700s etc) and they'd just keep it up until we killed all of them off down to the stumps again. They just don't quit unless you make their number 1 priority running from a bullet. It's a religious thing. They think they're fighting Satan himself and until they set fire to the world their god won't come fix the planet.

I hate the idea of going to war again but in this case I think it's necessary, but the plan should be to go in there, tear everything up, set up military bases and build oil export lines, then establish a permanent presence there to keep the lid tamped down kinda like we did with Germany and Japan.

Now then we have Russia banging around over there too and they'll want a piece of the pie in Syria. Nothing we can do about that, but we can make sure they're limited to Syria only by putting bases and shipping lanes in Iraq, Kuwait, and Yemen. With a big, honking military base full of soldiers the locals always go out of their way to shake hands and be friendly. It gives a sense of power and stability they don't have now.

With Russia though, if they go to war with Turkey (and thereby us), all bets are off. Bullets, bandaids, and beans is more and more becoming my plan if that happens. (That's apparently an old saying to prepare for the worst, hope for the best)


As far as the election goes I'm thinking both Trump and Cruz could handle that, with Trump being more likely to fly off the handle and make Russia start lobbing bombs all over, but he'd punch back when it happened. Hillary burned me a long time ago and she can't seem to do anything but lie, and Sanders...well, Sanders is just as much of a joke as Obama is. He never should have made it past the primaries. The man doesn't know the meaning of the word "Constitutional".

Anyway, that's what I've come to believe after a bunch of reading and looking at the history. It's a group with a mission and they don't mind if it takes 1 month or 100 years. They're playing the long game.

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I see your logic about setting up bases and such like Germany and Japan. BUT with that terrain, the number of near countries and their firepower...it would give them a huge target. You would have to have a 100 mile perimeter. There seems to be only 30,000 of them. I believe we are slowing the recruitment, killing the leaders and fighters and hoping they will gradually disappear. With all the countries now serious about eliminating them, I do have hope this strategy will work. They complain about Obama not having a strategy or changing the strategy. I would be very proud if he/they finally decided not to advertise the strategy or change in strategy. That is what the press needs to understand. This administration has announced all of our secrets and plans since gaining office. ISIS will disappear, they have no love from ANYONE except themselves. All the towns they have conquered hate them, the world hates them. They are living like rats under towns. The area is so religiously centered that those that could end it are held back because they don't want to help this or that group, country, religion. I don't like Obama but I don't envy his position trying to stop them and trying to get the people who should stop them to act. The American people need to understand that we are now oil independent. It's hard to realize because it happened so fast, fracking, etc. We now can actually get out of the middle east/North Africa and stay out after crushing isis. Forget Assad. Forget the oil. Stay friends with whomever wants to be friends. Use this time to regain "friendship" with Russia. China will never let North Korea bomb or fight anyone.