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kchampagne August 3rd, 2016 03:36 AM

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Looking good TJ!

bigblockv6 August 3rd, 2016 04:18 AM

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Good idea, while it's apart to change the bearings. Got to see some pics when you're done of that Alpine Green look:thumbsup:

TJ's GMC August 3rd, 2016 05:33 AM

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Looking good TJ!

Thanks man!
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Originally Posted by bigblockv6 (Post 63057)
Good idea, while it's apart to change the bearings. Got to see some pics when you're done of that Alpine Green look:thumbsup:

Thanks! I am painting whatever I tend to pick up and clean. haha Stuff has 50 years worth of grease and crap build up so the cleaning process is slow for sure. Hoping to deal with the water pump housing Wednesday and get that painted. Might do the fan and water pump pulley as well. Mains won't be here until Tuesday of next week so I have some time....unfortunately. haha More pics will be on for sure.

bigblockv6 August 3rd, 2016 05:48 AM

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Well it looks like you had no problem finding gaskets and bearings:upyes:

TJ's GMC August 3rd, 2016 03:12 PM

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Well it looks like you had no problem finding gaskets and bearings:upyes:

I know the rods and mains should be correct. I was lucky to find an old set of replacement mains. We'll see if the gasket set is right. haha May have to go somewhere else for that to. Hopefully not as I really wanna get this over with.

TJ's GMC August 6th, 2016 05:44 AM

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Slowly but surely getting more and more parts painted. :thumbsup:

TJ's GMC August 6th, 2016 05:46 AM

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Got some new parts in yesterday as well. Timing set which included the gears a chain. :upyes: Rod bearings, oil pump, and gasket set(not pictured). Still having a hard time getting a clutch kit, but I'll find one somewhere.

TJ's GMC August 9th, 2016 02:08 AM

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Block is painted! :upyes: And much more!

TJ's GMC August 9th, 2016 02:11 AM

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Motor mounts should be here tomorrow as well as a can of vht high temp exhaust manifold cast iron gray paint.

bigblockv6 August 9th, 2016 02:49 AM

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The Alpine Green looks good, did you use Duplicolor? Did you know that GMC actually painted the exhaust manifolds in yellow:teehee:

TJ's GMC August 9th, 2016 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bigblockv6 (Post 63131)
The Alpine Green looks good, did you use Duplicolor? Did you know that GMC actually painted the exhaust manifolds in yellow:teehee:

Thanks! Yes I have been using Dupli color engine paint and their primer. Even had to use the engine clear as well. haha Bought out Napa's supply of Green and Primer! I am using the Krylon rust tough black for all the pulleys, motor mounts, and other misc parts. And I am using chrome paint for some of the bolts. Then I will use the VHT cast iron paint for the manifolds. No yellow for me! Yuck! :lolsmack2:


Did get the new bearings slid in and oiled down with lucas. Torqued the main caps to 135 ft pounds and the rods to 60 ft pounds. Pictures in the morning as it is 10:32 PM and I am tuckered.

TJ's GMC August 18th, 2016 05:26 AM

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Well guys, this update is over due. Last week I got the block and other stuff painted up. And during the weekend I came down with some crazy virus that almost knocked me off my feet and left me in bed for 3 days. But 2 of those I fought it and work on this thing. All day saturday and Sunday dad and I and a friend work on this. Finally the motor and tranny are in and hooked up....minus the clutch fork which I believe I found a way to get it in without yarding the whole system out(don't ask how). So here are the latest pictures. Will get more soon.

TJ's GMC August 18th, 2016 05:28 AM

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More....

TJ's GMC August 22nd, 2016 05:32 AM

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IT'S ALIVE FOLKS!!!!!! Video soon! :upyes:

6066gmcguy August 22nd, 2016 02:26 PM

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Lookin' Good there TJ

TJ's GMC August 22nd, 2016 03:44 PM

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Lookin' Good there TJ

Thanks Jolly!!! I will be painting that red bracket green very soon! haha! Tonight after work I'll be getting water hooked up and adjusting the valves and we should be back on the road in a few days! :thumbsup:

TJ's GMC August 23rd, 2016 03:56 PM

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Wooohooo! She runs!!!!!!!!



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Funky61 August 23rd, 2016 06:49 PM

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Congratulations TJ and again; another awesome video! Thanks for showing the flywheel issue and area you mentioned in your thread.

kchampagne August 23rd, 2016 08:22 PM

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TJ,

Looks and sounds awesome! Digging the green. Great work!!

TJ's GMC August 23rd, 2016 10:41 PM

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Congratulations TJ and again; another awesome video! Thanks for showing the flywheel issue and area you mentioned in your thread.

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TJ,

Looks and sounds awesome! Digging the green. Great work!!

Thanks guys! Will post this video in the other thread I posted in as well so the folks there can see it. :ok:

TJ's GMC August 26th, 2016 04:20 PM

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Hi guys! Here is the motor all done! Been driving it and I still have clutch issues to work out, but so far so good.

TJ's GMC November 16th, 2016 05:05 AM

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Now the month of November and all is good thus far. Last weekend I took Crustine to the shop and drained out the Liquid in the rear end and refilled with Lucas and 75-90. Also did a quick underneath inspection and so far all is OK. Do need a carrier bearing still. lol But it's holding up well enough for the distances I drive. I will say I love hearing that flowmaster tone in a canyon....thing just echos and brings a big smile to my face....even if in 3rd I am only doing 30 MPH. lol! What a good ol truck. She will almost break loose the tires by lead footing, but a good clutch drop with the rpm at 2700 does it in 2nd no problem. lol While it was raining yesterday I took a corner hard at it in 2nd and the tires broke loose. lol Fun fun. But I have to always remind myself I need this motor to last so I pamper it a lot. But gotta blow some carbon out once in awhile right! Later gents.

jturk November 16th, 2016 11:37 AM

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Looking really good TJ, keep the shiny er rusty side up and have fun.

TJ's GMC November 16th, 2016 04:44 PM

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Looking really good TJ, keep the shiny er rusty side up and have fun.

haha Thanks man. She'll be shiny one of these days. :thumbsup:

bobdylan November 17th, 2016 02:09 PM

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I was looking at your engine picture, looks good in green. I am curious about the oil breather cap. I thought the 305E would be a sealed cap. When I first bought mine it had the wrong cap, and had oil all over the engine.

TJ's GMC November 17th, 2016 03:29 PM

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I was looking at your engine picture, looks good in green. I am curious about the oil breather cap. I thought the 305E would be a sealed cap. When I first bought mine it had the wrong cap, and had oil all over the engine.

Thanks! You are correct, that breather cap is off my 292. This motor used to have two sealed caps. One with a hose hooked to the air cleaner for PCV. I gave that system to a friend for his 305 when I converted to the 4 barrel and took this breather off one of my spare 292 engines. It does spit some oil after traveling high speeds...as in 50 where the RPM's are up. But with the little bit of daily driving I do it seems ok thus far. I will eventually drill a hole in the bottom of the Air cleaner and hook a PCV system back up.

bobdylan November 17th, 2016 05:46 PM

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If this is a 305e it should not have a pvc valve. Should be closed caps. The crank case takes air in though the breather at the back of block and vents through check valves in cylinder.

TJ's GMC November 17th, 2016 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bobdylan (Post 64687)
If this is a 305e it should not have a pvc valve. Should be closed caps. The crank case takes air in though the breather at the back of block and vents through check valves in cylinder.

It's a 67 305E. The crank case breather port is plugged by a Casting Plug. On Page 1 Post 3 of this build you can see a pic of the stock setup somewhat. The air cleaner has a hose that hooked to the valve cover via a cap with a hose port.

Ed Snyder November 17th, 2016 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bobdylan (Post 64687)
If this is a 305e it should not have a pvc valve. Should be closed caps. The crank case takes air in though the breather at the back of block and vents through check valves in cylinder.

Through its years of production, the hole behind the left cylinder head of the V6 transitioned from a road draft tube to a filter canister to a casting plug. You're describing the "middle aged" V6.

bobdylan November 17th, 2016 06:26 PM

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That all makes sense, Thanks for clearing that up. Not trying to be critical, just curious.

bigblockv6 November 18th, 2016 03:19 AM

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It's a 67 305E. The crank case breather port is plugged by a Casting Plug. On Page 1 Post 3 of this build you can see a pic of the stock setup somewhat. The air cleaner has a hose that hooked to the valve cover via a cap with a hose port.

That sounds more like the 68-74 setup. The 67 305E still had the tube running from the back of the block to the air cleaner. In 68 it was capped off in the back of the block and the breather on the right side valve cover had a breather with a hose and tube to the air cleaner.

TJ's GMC November 18th, 2016 03:19 PM

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That sounds more like the 68-74 setup. The 67 305E still had the tube running from the back of the block to the air cleaner. In 68 it was capped off in the back of the block and the breather on the right side valve cover had a breather with a hose and tube to the air cleaner.

Interesting, If I remember right the original intake manifold was stamped with a 67 year. I'll have to look again.

bigblockv6 November 19th, 2016 02:47 AM

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You can't always go by the casting date:pullinghairout:, that does give you a ballpark figure on the year, though it could have been cast in the fall of 1967 which would make it a 68. The only person that's good at figuring the year of these V6 engines is Lewis Matkin. I gave him several different engine ID numbers that were stamped not cast on the right front side of the block and he got them all correct. One of them was the block to my 478 that I had thought was a 71 but turned out to be a 68 same year as my truck:upyes:

TJ's GMC November 19th, 2016 04:15 PM

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You can't always go by the casting date:pullinghairout:, that does give you a ballpark figure on the year, though it could have been cast in the fall of 1967 which would make it a 68. The only person that's good at figuring the year of these V6 engines is Lewis Matkin. I gave him several different engine ID numbers that were stamped not cast on the right front side of the block and he got them all correct. One of them was the block to my 478 that I had thought was a 71 but turned out to be a 68 same year as my truck:upyes:

Ah ok, I'll see if I can get some numbers. 67, 68 I don't care....I just like to say I have the engine with the extra 10 hp. LOL!

bigblockv6 November 19th, 2016 08:04 PM

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Most likely the fact that your 305E came with the breather in the valve cover rather than the back of the block would make it a 68 unless someone prior capped off the hole in the rear of the block and changed the valve cover. Lets compare engine ID numbers, the 305E that came of my 68 is #305E 497570, get me the number off yours and I'll send it to Lewis to see what year he comes up with.

TJ's GMC November 20th, 2016 02:22 AM

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Most likely the fact that your 305E came with the breather in the valve cover rather than the back of the block would make it a 68 unless someone prior capped off the hole in the rear of the block and changed the valve cover. Lets compare engine ID numbers, the 305E that came of my 68 is #305E 497570, get me the number off yours and I'll send it to Lewis to see what year he comes up with.

My 305E did Not come with a breather in the valve cover. I put that breather there from my 292 when I converted to a 4 barrel setup so I didn't have to drill in the air cleaner. The stock setup had a hose running from the air cleaner to cap with a hose port on the valve cover. :ok:

305E 49292I

Date stamped on the original manifold is 10-17-67 so probably a 68 like you said.

bigblockv6 November 20th, 2016 08:28 PM

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This is what is considered a breather cap with a breather tube for the air cleaner used on 68-74 V6 engines.

TJ's GMC November 20th, 2016 08:36 PM

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This is what is considered a breather cap with a breather tube for the air cleaner used on 68-74 V6 engines.

Hmm, that's not it either. Best I can provide is a video. If you pause it right at 23 seconds into the vid you can see the setup mine had.



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bigblockv6 November 20th, 2016 08:48 PM

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My 305E did Not come with a breather in the valve cover. I put that breather there from my 292 when I converted to a 4 barrel setup so I didn't have to drill in the air cleaner. The stock setup had a hose running from the air cleaner to cap with a hose port on the valve cover. :ok:

305E 49292I

Date stamped on the original manifold is 10-17-67 so probably a 68 like you said.

That date would definitely put it as a 68 built in the fall of 67. The breather tube attached the oil cap was definitely an add on. Someone probably tossed the original setup away. I was fortunate to still buy a new one for the 68 while parts were very plentiful for these engines. I ended up rebuilding the cap by prying off the crimped bottom part and replacing the old steel wool that is used as the filter with new steel wool then having the cap chrome plated to match the valve cover. The pic of the other breather that's black I picked up on ebay several years ago:upyes:

TJ's GMC November 21st, 2016 04:47 AM

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Figures. lol Well a buddy of mine has that old setup on his now. I will figure a better PCV system soon. This one tend to throw some oil. lol Not a lot, but enough to have to wipe off the one valve cover.


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