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FetchMeAPepsi February 4th, 2013 04:59 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
To address the new button top problem we'll just make a new fitting using our trusty bag o' connectors.

Strip the wire and cut off the old connector, like here:




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Then grab one of your spoon looking connectors that have curled sides ...




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And one of these pokey dikes things if you have one.




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The same can be done with a pair of coat hanger wires if you dont. Or a fork. As a Scotsman I never see any need to spend money. It puts my kilt in a bunch.




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Poke them in the connector where the curls are like this and pry them open slowly, just a little, until they fit the top of your button.




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Then crimp it back on the wire. Squish Squish.




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Then just place it on your new sending unit. All done!




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Just start your engine. See if it works!


As for me, nothing ever works like it should so.....GREAT CAESAR'S GHOST!!!!!
SHE'S GONNA BLOW!!!




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Of course that's not my gauge. I panicked too much to take a pic.


I shut her down and went into troubleshooting mode. Cool the engine, that takes what? Think McGuyver!
Water, oil, air. Ok, let's verify...

Check the water - I opened the cap and no boiling. Nothing funny.

I grabbed the infrared thermo gun that I bought because it was cool for AC troubleshooting...Toys rule :D

175 degrees. Hmm, what the heck? That's not hot at all.

Then I hit the internet and started searching.
Lo and behold, sending units have changed quite a bit since 1962. Who'da thunk it?

They now offer less resistance at lower temps than old gauges are used to seeing. The difference is about 32 ohms.

To compensate you need to add a resistor to the wire to keep them honest so that's what I did next. Oh, and just try finding a 32 ohm resistor at any retail store. You wont.


So I bought a pack of 33 ohm resistors from Rat Shack (radio shack) for 1.19. The guy there looked like he hated life and his job. He threw my receipt in the trash instead of handing it to me. :(

What's with lousy customer service anymore? No wonder the place was deserted.


Anyway, I got my resistors home and started photographing again.




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That's when I realized it said "47 Ohm" instead of 33. Someone had mixed up the resistor bin and I had looked at the label, not at the package. Dummy.


So I ran it back and tried to swap it out. Mr Personality was like, "You wanna what? Oh.....(long pause)...Do you have a receipt?"

"You threw it away".

"Oh, I did? (long pause again) Um.....I guess it's in here then."

He glanced toward the trash can.


As Mr Friendly dug through his trash I went to get the right package and rearrange all of the resistors back to their proper cubby slots because I didn't want someone else having the same problem.

Anyway (deep breath) back at the counter he found a receipt for a resistor. It's for a 100 ohm. Different date. "Uhkay here it is." I pointed out that it wasn't the right one, but he said it didn't matter. He just needed a reciept. I was done with the whole thing so I just let it go. Punk kids today. Ugh.

When I'm elected Dictator there will be a law against idocy....but I digress.




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Out the door I hobbled with my correct resistor in tow.




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I snipped the wire in two at a point that it was bare anyway from years of under-hood abuse.




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Then I attached a connector to it. Not pretty but we're going for drivability first, then pretty when we do a complete re-wire.




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Crimp the resistor on:




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Put on another connector for the other side




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Tie it to the existing wire. Then just plug it back on to the temp sending unit and we're off!




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And after starting her up she needed some alone time to warm up and I needed some fuel. I went inside to make myself a very tasty egg and bacon burrito.




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This is how she looked when I returned:




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SUCCESS!!!!!
And the temp was confirmed by the infrared reading 160 on the head. Nice!

I went back and painted it with liquid electrical tape just to be safe until I do a re-wire.



Lessons Learned:
  • My wires are old and corroded. This will need addressing next spring or so.
  • Reproduction parts aren't as good as original.
  • Look at what you're buying, even when you're in a hurry.
  • Kids that hate their jobs should find new jobs. :angry:
  • Bacon and egg burritos with guacamole are delicious on a cold day.:laughGMC:

BarryGMC February 4th, 2013 06:29 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
I got a box O sensors in the shop. Been to that rodeo before. The Jimmys are the worst for this. OLd stock is best. Collect it while you can. Barry.

FetchMeAPepsi February 5th, 2013 01:50 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Thats what I should do but I havent seen any sensors come up on ebay. Barry you had good forsight.

BarryGMC February 5th, 2013 03:09 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Hit the wreaking yards And any place with old medium trucks. Also watch craigslist. Barry

6066gmcguy February 6th, 2013 03:56 PM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Nice Work eh.

FetchMeAPepsi February 6th, 2013 05:19 PM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BarryGMC (Post 47720)
Hit the wreaking yards And any place with old medium trucks. Also watch craigslist. Barry

Once I'm walking safely that's on my list. i heard we have a good one nearby in OKC. Theres a big one north of Dallas that i want to hit too next time I visit the land of the free (texas).

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6066gmcguy (Post 47740)
Nice Work eh.

thanks jolly. im proud of her even if she doesnt look like much. I mean 500 bux and 4wd and i got it running! how many new cars can you let sit for years then spend 15 bucks to get them roadworthy right?


(to everyone reading)
the build stopped after the sensor for a few months due to the hip surgery. im 30cough years old and blew a hip out. go figure. the kids are calling me grandpa lol.

This week though i got out and started the old girl again to blow the condensation out of her (or maybe just to hear her run again lol) and that got me started to tinkering. I'm down to using 1 crutch so I can carry stuff again.

I replaced that broken window on the passenger side and then I grabbed my old oilbath air cleaner and got to work on it. I'll post the how-i-did-it and some pictures soon. Its just a simple paintover job.

THanks for all the encouraging words everyone. Im really enjoying bringing her back to life.

George Bongert February 7th, 2013 04:07 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Hello Fetch Me A Pepsi!

Very useful information for sure, and by the way, you hit a nerve here. Seems customer service today stinks (depends on where you go though, and who you deal with) and one of my all time favorite pet peeves, people NOT putting things back WHERE THEY BELONG! It pays to look at the package before you go to the checkout counter, to make sure you got what you came for. As to the young man who threw away your receipt---if he worked for me, he'd be in the unemployment line! That type of customer service is disgraceful to say the least!

Cayoterun February 8th, 2013 12:53 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
2 Attachment(s)
Pepsi:

I'll get them there one way or another. Delete them from your build when you look at them if you want to.

FetchMeAPepsi February 8th, 2013 04:50 PM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cayoterun (Post 47772)
Pepsi:

I'll get them there one way or another. Delete them from your build when you look at them if you want to.

I cant delete your stuff lol but that looks AWESOME! Itll be a good learning experience too since i havent torn into the door innards before. i cant wait!

i do wish i could see that v12 46 though. You should post some pix of that baby

Cayoterun February 9th, 2013 01:07 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Pepsi:

Here's the links for both V-12 trucks. The '46 Chevy may make it down to the meet June, 15th. No firm plans yet.
Door innards are pretty straight forward, disassemble, lay in a row, stuff them in the other door same order, last out, first back in.
Our plans are still on to see you next weekend.

Forgot to mention on the door. I can find no rust through any where. It came off a grain truck, so could have spent lots of it's life in a barn waiting from one harvest to next.

The meet is really shaping up, and will be an enjoyable weekend for all, I'm sure.





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FetchMeAPepsi February 9th, 2013 02:52 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
yeah the meet should be cool (or hot lol it will be june!) but I cant make it. thats fathers day weekend. I told coop that but he's set on that weekend. I think someone has his ear.

Oh well, maybe ill make the next one.

They're calling for arctic air next weekend. Ask the ladies if they'd like a mug of creamy hot chocolate instead :D

6066gmcguy February 10th, 2013 07:27 PM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Cayoterun you should copy those builds over to thos forum, I'm betting evey one would like to see them.

FetchMeAPepsi is a starnge Member Name, must be what you say to your helpers on those Hot summer days.

FetchMeAPepsi February 12th, 2013 12:09 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 6066gmcguy (Post 47844)
Cayoterun you should copy those builds over to thos forum, I'm betting evey one would like to see them.

FetchMeAPepsi is a starnge Member Name, must be what you say to your helpers on those Hot summer days.

Yeah coyote! you just have to do what I did, hit reply on your posts over there and it copies right over.

Fetchmeapepsi is what I picked because i stink at picking forum names and I only drink pepsi's. Not water, not coke, and only occasionally a cup of coffee or a diet DP if the place doesn't have pepsi. Prolly rotting my kidneys but its been this way for about 10 years now with no problems.

watch me fall over dead tomorrow lol.

FetchMeAPepsi April 1st, 2013 05:55 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Today was the first really pretty weekend day we've had in a while. On the spur of the moment after raking the kids' sandbox we pulled off the air cleaner on Cecilia and ran a wire wheel over it to remove all the old paint and rust.



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It worked great, but took three full batteries in the cordless drill. Afterward we sprayed it with primer.


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Then an hour later it was on with the black paint.


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Here's the primer I used:


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And the paint is this

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It turned out pretty decent except for the bugs flying into the paint when we started. I guess this stuff is like candy to them. I picked several off with sticks but we were able to rebuild the splotches out to look smooth.

Vernski April 1st, 2013 07:55 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FetchMeAPepsi (Post 47535)
Have any of you seen a seat like this? This is the first one I've seen. The orig owner said it was all stock but I've never seen one in an ad or a build or anything.

That's an after market seat cover, It could be a dealer item though certainly not from the factory. My Dad bought a seat cover from JC Pennys that looked similar many years ago only it was beige & white. Nice to see you have helpers there enjoy...Vernski:D

FetchMeAPepsi April 14th, 2013 03:50 PM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vernski (Post 48401)
That's an after market seat cover, It could be a dealer item though certainly not from the factory. My Dad bought a seat cover from JC Pennys that looked similar many years ago only it was beige & white. Nice to see you have helpers there enjoy...Vernski:D

Aha! I thought it might be an aftermarket seat! Thanks Vernski. Its been on forever. it has rust spots all along the clips in the back. I'll replace it one day with a factory lookalike. Probably vinyl again to keep it as a workable truck.

FetchMeAPepsi April 15th, 2013 09:36 PM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
This Saturday was great outside. I've been working on the radio indoors. I'll post a full rebuild of that once its finished. Right now it looks like this:



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Scary huh? This is my first radio teardown and repair so Google and I have been working pretty hard at learning what the heck I'm doing. I hope it doesnt blow up and take out a city block lol. If it works and any of you want to rebuild your original AM radios back to working condition it'll make for a good step by step guide. I only listen to Am anyway so its perfect for this news junkie.

So back to Saturday. We had a storm blow through and it knocked a bunch of our limbs off of our trees. Cecilia got loaded up and carried a couple of loads to the dump for us. She's a workhorse for sure. And it's great not worrying that she'll get all dinged up with a few sticks like newer trucks. Thanks heavy gauge sheet metal!



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After that I wanted to make another attempt to get the primer off of her. Someone I talked to suggested Mineral Spirits so I bought a can of this and pulled out my pressure washer again. The lid on these is a safety lid that YOU CANT OPEN. The plastic is just cheap and spins over the metal cap. I took a screwdriver and pried it off to get it open. It closed right up afterward like nothing ever happened. The plastic part playing in my trash can with other worthless junk.



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The verdict on this stuff is a very unhappy two thumbs down. It didn't do anything at all. I rubbed with steel wool and that worked OK, but it did the same without this stuff. i packed it all back up and

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after hearing about it's spray-paint removal power. Leave it on a few seconds, they said, and poof! You have old paint restored.



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I'll let you guys know how it worked when it comes in on tuesday. That was it for paint removal. Highly anticlimactic.


So I grabbed my newly de-toothed Powder Puff mechanic...



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...and we sanded off the air cleaner again cuz of the paint getting rough spots from the last outdoor painting. Thanks to member WDShaffer for the advice on the sanding. I tied her to 600 grit and let her start scrubbing. THe pics were indoors so they turned out too dark, but here's the end result. Smooth, shiny, and we're 100% happy.



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Now we just need to do something about that peeling and abused engine.:bananadance:

GMC Guy April 16th, 2013 12:08 AM

Re: Radio rebuild
 
I'm in need of a volume rheostat for my radio. It's either no volume or too much with nothing in between.

On the tree limb front, this just goes to show it can happen anywhere. This limb from my olive tree landed on my truck Monday, April 8th after some high winds overnight. Fortunately, there was no real damage to the truck. The tree has since gotten a good haircut!



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FetchMeAPepsi April 18th, 2013 06:43 PM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Arthur, it's great having a truck with more than 1/99th of an inch of sheet metal around it, isn't it? I really dig that I can lean against the fender and it doesn't feel like a beer can. And i know a guy with an old radio for $30.00. If you wanna snag the rheostat out of it I'll ship it for $7.00 fedex. If he still has it. These old radios are getting tough to find.


This week I got a *FREE*, yes you read that right *FREE* air compressor. I hate the little ball blower i have now. Its only a 2 gallon walmart special. It wont even air up a car tire without recharging it three times. Worthless.

The new compressor is a 20 gallon Ironhorse upright model that fits perfectly in the empty space by my rakes and other longhandles. Heres a pic of it new.





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Mine looks like this now



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I took it apart because i wanted to see if it was all OK inside and it was leaking through a few of the couplings. i found out that not one, not two, not three....but all four feet on the motor are broken off. The only thing holding the motor to the tank is the connection pipe itself. I called around and no one seems to have an old casing i can use so i ordered a couple of bakers silicone bake sheets as dampeners to sit the motor on. Then i'll strap it down to keep it stationary. Recycling at its best!

I hope to use a low airflow hvlp paint gun with it to paint cecilia if I cant do a patina build. Heres the style i had in mind.

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Hers a pic of it.


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WDShaffer April 22nd, 2013 03:56 PM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
HVLP means high volume low pressure, and they mean it. If you are painting single panels or a few at a time, your compressor will keep up without a problem. The secret to HVLP working very well is an air pressure regulator (not a"cheater valve") on the supply hose set to the gun's specified working pressure. I repainted my brother's stock car twice before I figured out the rental booth was using a separate compressor for the HVLP supply line. After that, I was laying down polyurethane in smooth sheets.

Gravity feed guns like that are easy to clean, too. However, the 1 quart pot is about the limit for painting a single coat on a sedan or a truck cab without the bed.

If it is inexpensive, consider a second gun for primer, so you can set up the fluid jet and pattern for the thicker material. I use a Harbor Freight source gun for primer, and a very nice composite DeVilbiss for paint. But paint is my bag, and I have had great results with low-cost tools. Like anything, you need to learn the techniques first then adapt to the tools at hand.

FetchMeAPepsi April 27th, 2013 02:47 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WDShaffer (Post 48575)
HVLP means high volume low pressure, and they mean it. If you are painting single panels or a few at a time, your compressor will keep up without a problem. The secret to HVLP working very well is an air pressure regulator (not a"cheater valve") on the supply hose set to the gun's specified working pressure. I repainted my brother's stock car twice before I figured out the rental booth was using a separate compressor for the HVLP supply line. After that, I was laying down polyurethane in smooth sheets.

Gravity feed guns like that are easy to clean, too. However, the 1 quart pot is about the limit for painting a single coat on a sedan or a truck cab without the bed.

If it is inexpensive, consider a second gun for primer, so you can set up the fluid jet and pattern for the thicker material. I use a Harbor Freight source gun for primer, and a very nice composite DeVilbiss for paint. But paint is my bag, and I have had great results with low-cost tools. Like anything, you need to learn the techniques first then adapt to the tools at hand.

Thanks WDShaffer! Man youre the paint GURU! I nominated you for the contest here for all your help.

I too had great results with cheap parts. I dont like to spend money ever so i have a lot of MAKE DO equipment. I just fixed up this old air compressor and its workin. cost = 15.00 for a baking mat plus 4.00 for compressor oil. Pretty good I think. I probably better post the writeup on it since its all Ive been doing this past couple of weeks.

FetchMeAPepsi April 27th, 2013 03:35 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
My compressor works great now, but it didn't before. All four legs were broken off the motor. So I called around to get some info and maybe buy a motor casing from the manufacturer. They said no way. I called a repair shop. They said Nope.
I called another repair shop. They said they'd check to see if they had a busted motor in. They did. It didn't have motor mounts :(


So I fixed it myself the only way I know how - Cheap!

I first decided I wanted something to dampen the noise. I needed something both flexible and heat resistant so I chose one of those blue cheap silicone baking mats. Folded in half it fit perfectly.

Here's the Powder Puff mechanic sliding it under while I lift the motor:



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Then I tied it down by running two bits of a coathanger through the outside screw holes and over the motor.



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Then it was time to put some compressor oil in it. I chose Porter Cable brand.



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Finally I plugged 'er in and plugged all the leaks, put plumbers tape on the fittings, and she ran great. She holds air! Now time to spend a small fortune on air gadgets.....



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FetchMeAPepsi April 30th, 2013 05:34 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Well this weekend was a great one. I got my Krud Cutter bottle in and sprayed it on the fenders to remove that old yucky rattle can primer.



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I ran out and sprayed it all over the fender. According to online accounts I only had to spray it on, wait a few seconds and then spray off. Volia! Old paint restored.
Well not exactly...I sprayed it on, scrubbed it off. Did it again and let it sit longer. What could be wrong? Elbow grease! That's got to be it. I threw some kids at it. First one kidpower tied to a scotch brite...



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Then I tried two kidpower tied to sponges.



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Still nothing to speak of. Ok, it came off a little, but it was a LOT of scrubbing and hard work. The kids had fun, but dear ol' dad was wearing down. The Krud Kutter was a big fat fail. We waited anywhere from 30 seconds to a full hour between scrubbings and it still didn't come off well.

In a fit of frustration I grabbed a bottle of degreaser and sprayed it on, waited 1/2 hour, and took a power washer to it. It's funny how things fall together in your darkest hour, isn't it? I sprayed it and WHAMMO! The stuff just fell off like I had a selective sand blaster running over it! I almost peed. Really, two drops of pee came out. I was so excited.


I immediately started spraying little spots and running a timer to get the numbers down. This stuff didn't seem to hurt the original paint at all. I finally hit on a time that worked well enough for us. Spray it on, wait 30 mins, spray another coat on to re-wet it, then hose it off with a power washer. It's like freaking magic.

It was so much fun the oldest daughter came out of the house to run the washer on it.



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That lasted all of 10 minutes because as you know power washers don't have music plugins or pump out brownies at 350 degrees. They just shoot water and that gets old to a teenage girl after a while even if Daddy is jumping around behind her like a lunatic that just found a gold tooth.



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I made a video of it too to show just how easy it fell off but I can't seem to figure out how to upload it. I hate videos anyway. So here's a pic. Nom nom nom. See how clean the power washed area is? And this is a little 5.5 horse 2400 psi 2.4 gpm washer.



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I should have a blue truck in a couple of weeks at this rate. Or at least I'll have a better idea of what Cecilia's bones look like if I have to do a full repaint. I am one happy camper!



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FetchMeAPepsi May 19th, 2013 01:26 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Today was a long, loong day. I took Cecilia to the dump and dumped another load of junk. That was good though because I can't toodle around in her when she's loaded with crap. I have missed her!

After that I just ran her a bit and slowed her timing to 2.5 BTDC. She's been backfiring through the carb on acceleration so I needed to find a fix. She's running alot better, but now the battery is crapping out big time. It won't charge past 75% and it won't turn her over more than 1/2 second. I'm running her off of a jump box for now.

I also put in a new radio antenna. Now my radio works!

Finally I was pretty worn down but I sprayed her down with paint remover again and power washed another layer of primer off of her. That's 3 hours of fun. I found out my GMC letters on the back weren't white nor blue like the rest of her, they're kind of a shiny silver color. Really pretty!

Then I sat down with the kids, got bored and started hammering out dents in her fenders while I sat. Lazy bodywork FTW.

I can't wait until I can bend over with this hip again so I can work under her. Even if I leave the outside of her patina'ed and blue I want to open all of her underneath parts and give them a good cleaning, priming, and spraying with bedliner.


I didn't take any pictures this time because I left my phone inside. I'm a loser. :( So here's a pic of someone else's truck to make up for it.



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FetchMeAPepsi May 23rd, 2013 06:43 PM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Well the kids are out of school now and I'm itching to do some work on my truck with them. Weather wont cooperate though. Its been raining cats and dogs.



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I played with my Eastwood hammers some, banging on my rear fenders. You can

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. I paid 80 but they're on sale right now. Go figure! :lolflag:
The hammers work GREAT! The dollies are very heavy so they hold the metal still while you're pounding on it so you don't rip it all to shreds. And the fiberglass handles don't ring your bell every time you land a solid whack.

I kinda want to pull the rear bumper off this weekend (weather permitting) and get it cleaned and sanded.

So I've been sitting here researching paints, primers, and polyfills. It's making my head swim. And I've been collecting parts and pieces.

I have just about decided to paint her instead of going with the patina, but I change my mind every day or so on that. My Powder Puff loves the patina look and so do I. It's more authentic to us. Paint is stupid expensive too at $400 a gallon or so. That'll make your butt pucker. And that's not including the parts associated with it too. So yeah, Patinas are great, but on the other hand Cecilia was abused alot growing up and she might not be able to walk out in public without some paint on her face.



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So back to my parts blitz. I just acquired a compressor and thought I'd use a particular type of low volume paint gun with it but I changed my mind. I have read of others that did well with HVLP guns on similar compressors just taking it easy and not getting in too big of a hurry. I'll be painting one panel at a time if I paint so I think I'll be OK. Worst case I have to buy a big compressor. May as well open a shop after that huh? :yeeuh:

Here's the list:
A creeper that folds up into a chair for my bad hip. I needed a rolling chair anyway. 2 in one! $80.00
An RPM gauge $15.00
A vacuum gauge $14.00
A radiator overflow hose. I want to put a coolant tank in eventually. $5.00
A clay bar for paint removal in tough to spray areas $8.00
A wire brush cup $10.00
A gallon of Slick Sand $97.00 Ouch
An inline water and oil filter for my compressor $5.00
A new HVLP primer gun $40.00

I'm I'll be getting my DP90 primer and extras ordered this week some time then it's learning time! I plan to make a lot of mistakes but hey, in the end I'll have a fat head full of knowledge right?



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I looked around for some cheaper primer to practice with but it seems like there's only a few dollars difference in all of the epoxy primers. Disappointing. It's a wonder that anyone ever gets into body work anymore with these prices. You'd have to charge a fortune for any bit of work just to break even!

FetchMeAPepsi May 25th, 2013 05:23 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
The kids are out of school now and it's great. Some people get tired of their kids but I'm not one of those. I really dig spending time with them. :superhug:
Today the eldest wanted to have time with the youngest (Baby syndrome? She better not drag home some boy!) and my boy was tied up with the Nintendo Wii. That left the Powder Puff and I on our own. I had work I needed to do but she didn't have anything really going on. What's a good daddy to do?
Flake off and pull the old truck out for some wrench turning of course!

I started Cecilia up - Side note here, she has had a kind of cough'y, hammery sound lately in her passenger side of the ol' 305 V6 that was kinda scaring me. I thought her oil might be low but it checked out fine. I haven't changed it her oil because I can't get under her, but she has a sufficient amount that she shouldn't be having trouble. Anyway, I took a shot and gave her a dose of

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and let her run for about 10 minutes. The cough disappeared. PP (The Powder Puff Mechanic) started calling the stuff Cough Medicine for Cecilia. It's about the size of a bottle of Nyquil so I think it fits.



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Ok, back on track, I started her up and pulled her into the front yard this time. I know, brave, huh? All the neighbors are reasonably friendly so I think they'd tell me if I was disturbing them. I try to not be loud. We tossed the door that CoyoteRun gave us in the back and thought that might make a good project for today. We figured it'd take a couple of hours or so.



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It took five. :ahhhh:


Tools you will need:
1 Large Philips Head Screwdriver
1 Regular Philips Head Screwdriver
1 Pair Needle Nose Pliers
1 Can PB Blaster
1 9/16 wrench



We started by removing the three screws that hold the mirror on. The new door had some funky upper panel mirrors so I'll have to drill new holes. Later. I had problems with one screw that was apparently stripped out. Had to put my fingernail under it and pull up while I turned the screwdriver. It's a good way trim your fingernails if you don't have clippers. It wore mine down into the quick.



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There's a rubber gasket under the mirror so be careful of that. Mine had marks under it too where the previous owner tried to line up the mirror.



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Now shoot some PB Blaster on the door side of the hinge bolts. There's 6 bolts in there. Don't forget any of them. Then tap them with a hammer a couple of times just enough to ring their bell a bit and set up vibration.






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Remove the cotter pin here and it'll let you open the door more. I didn't do this until afterward then was kicking myself because I was in such a tight area the whole time.

cotter key and pin:


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Then take your 9/16 wrench and get ta' screwin' around. I took out the two over/under bolts out from each hinge, leaving one single bolt in each hinge for support. You don't want to run all of the bolts out at once or you'll wind up walking funny when the door falls off and jumps in your lap.

Now put a jack under the door for support. They're pretty heavy but not unmanageable.




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While your helper is busy jacking up the jack (and letting it down, jacking it up again, sitting on it, putting rocks on it, etc...) you can keep your sanity by taking out the panel screws. There's 12 of them IIRC (If I Remember Correctly) and you'll use your big screwdriver on them.



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Now grab your flathead screwdriver and poke it in the back of the handle like this to unscrew this screw a bit. It's just a pressure screw so run it out about five turns and it should be fine. You don't need to (or want to) run it all the way out and lose it.



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Same with the other handle



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Then gently lift the panel off and put it in a safe place where you won't trip over it or kick it because you busted your thumb with a hammer.



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Then take the side screws out to release the vent window. There are four screws, longest two on the side, shorties on the top.



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Then remove these two large screws about midway down the door. They're one on top of the other. Don't remove any other screws:



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Then push down on the vent window, GENTLY. It could shatter and cut you to ribbons! Once it's down about a half inch pull it to the right gently, taking care to not tear up the corrogated window channel on the top of the window.



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Then you can pull it outside the window area like this but it's not cleared at the base yet, one more twist to pay attention to...



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Now twist the window so that it faces you like an axe falling on your head. This is because there's a little bracket on the bottom of it that won't let it come out without the twist.



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Then just pull it up and out.



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FetchMeAPepsi May 25th, 2013 05:52 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Now inside the panel viewing port here you'll see two screws. Remove ONLY the one pictured but don't try to pull it out. It stays in the channel nicely because it has a big head like me.



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Ok, this part is another dangerous part. It's better with two people but I never have two grown people around. If you're like me and have no friends take your screwdriver and gently break loose the screw. Don't unscrew it!

Then grab the window like you see here. While you're unscrewing the screw, hold the window up so it doesn't fall when the screw backs out. Get comfy and get a good grip. After the screw backs out just work the window glass right out of the top.



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At this point your little helper probably has gotten tired of the jack and has wandered off after butterflies or ladybugs. If she left your jack in the right position (see pic) then you can now safely remove the final bolt from the lower hinge using your 9/16 wrench.



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With the bottom bolt removed you only have the top bolt and the jack holding up the door. Now is a good time to let your helper run the bolt out while you stand up and hold the door to keep them from getting crushed. That's bad parenting, crushing your children. Plus the government frowns on it if you don't have a permit.



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After it comes off you're left with 1960's air conditioning.



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Transferring all of the hardware and parts to the new door was pretty straightforward. The glass was broken so my fingers naturally ran all over it hoping to get cut. Only my thumb succeeded. :D

I did have a problem with the window channel screw though. It wouldn't come out. I rounded it out with my big screwdriver so I used a skinny flathead screwdriver and it busted right off in my hand. See the piece in the screw still? Stupid Stanley tools.



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And when I went to put the bolts back in I forgot to mention that the two over/under bolts are washerless. Only the one on the outside of the hinge by itself has a washer. At least on mine that's how it was.



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And here's where I greased up all of the links and connections. I really hate that corrugated window channel stuff. It bites me and it's ugly.



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Anyway, we buttoned her back up and got her hung by the time the wife got home and called us in for dinner. Perfect timing! I still need to adjust it a bit but it's in there and it shuts. I'm happy. I still need to replace the rocker panel but that's a job for another day.

Special thanks to CoyoteRun, his lovely wife and daughter, and his oversized generous heart for the door. :yourock:


Here's a before:



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And an after:



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FetchMeAPepsi May 25th, 2013 06:08 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
I got a friendly verbal spanking over PMs for being lazy with the antenna build. Sorry about that :)

I bought my antenna from

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. It's a direct fit replacement for my old one except my old one telescoped manually (you push it down or pull it up) and this is a whip style antenna.

Hope that helps anyone looking for a replacement. I'll try to remember to mention more details from here on out.

Cayoterun May 26th, 2013 03:29 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Lookin' good, Pepsi! Much better there, than after coming out of a crusher.

Sorry about the big mirror holes, but the old door has ridden to a grain elevator many times on the grain truck it came off of.

Recycling at it's finest!!!!

How is that rocker panel attached? Is it bolted on, or pretty easy to get off without damage? Let me know, and I'll check an old cab I have. I'll have to roll this cab over with the tractor to see this one.
Let me know.

FetchMeAPepsi May 26th, 2013 01:32 PM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cayoterun (Post 48824)
Lookin' good, Pepsi! Much better there, than after coming out of a crusher.

Sorry about the big mirror holes, but the old door has ridden to a grain elevator many times on the grain truck it came off of.

Recycling at it's finest!!!!

How is that rocker panel attached? Is it bolted on, or pretty easy to get off without damage? Let me know, and I'll check an old cab I have. I'll have to roll this cab over with the tractor to see this one.
Let me know.


Thanks Coyote! I really like how it looks. I believe the rockers are spot welded on. I've seen rebuild threads where other people have cut them out with a reciprocating saw so that was going to be my plan.

turbobill May 26th, 2013 01:44 PM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cayoterun (Post 48824)

How is that rocker panel attached? Is it bolted on, or pretty easy to get off without damage? Let me know, and I'll check an old cab I have. I'll have to roll this cab over with the tractor to see this one.
Let me know.

The rocker panel is spot welded to the truck. To remove a good one, or replace one properly will require door and fender removal. It is much easier to buy a replacement panel than fool with one still attached to a parts truck.

Cayoterun May 26th, 2013 05:37 PM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Thanks.
Another example of a great site, and helpful people.

FetchMeAPepsi May 27th, 2013 05:19 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by turbobill (Post 48827)
The rocker panel is spot welded to the truck. To remove a good one, or replace one properly will require door and fender removal. It is much easier to buy a replacement panel than fool with one still attached to a parts truck.

Yep, Thanks turbobill! I confirmed it today when I took Cecilia out and adjusted the door. I had to bang the rocker panel down with some serious UMPH :whipit:
The new door was rubbing at the bottom and the Powder Puff couldn't open it by herself.

It's on and rolling like a pro now!



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I also pulled my plugs out and re-checked their gapping. Then I gapped them 0.05 over spec to get more fire in the cylinder. She didn't seem to mind that at all. She was more responsive on the throttle like a Godzilla on Tokyo.

So after that little break (sit down work) I thought I'd try to chase down the GEN light problem. It's staying on now. I had my alternator checked and the guys at Autozone said it was fine. I re-hooked it back up and it drove OK, but it's not really charging the battery.

I put a voltmeter on it and here's what it said.



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I checked it at the back of the alternator too (red alt line, neg battery line)



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The same, 12.60 v. It should have been 13.8 or more. :(

I had burger duty so I had to button it up after that. Guess I'll be picking up an alternator.

Happy Memorial weekend to everyone, and thanks to those that served or have family serving. Without you we wouldn't have the freedoms we take for granted every day.



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FetchMeAPepsi May 27th, 2013 05:26 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Here's a little tip for adjusting your doors. After you get your hinge on the truck, tighten just one of the over/under bolts on each hinge until it's barely snug. Then shut the door. Open it gently and tighten it a little more. Shut it again. Repeat until you get the bolt all the way in. You should then be able to tighten the remaining bolts and have it stay lined up.

Anyway, that's what worked for me. I did start it by jacking it up on a wooden block so it didn't fall over, twist, and konk me on the head.

FetchMeAPepsi May 29th, 2013 06:34 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
I pulled off my alternator today and checked it's model number. It doesn't have one. All it says is "Made in the USA". :pullinghairout:

I looked on Jolly's site and it says Delco 12SI was a popular model to put on the 305V6 so I searched out the internals of the 12SI. It didn't match. So I took it apart and looked at the innards. The only number I could find was on the rectifier. I didn't know what a rectifier was when I started, but research showed it to be this



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That rectifier only fits in a handful of alternators. The one that looked most like mine was a 120 amp 17SI. So we'll be working off of the assumption that this is a 17SI with a double pulley.



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I grabbed another junky old towel. This time a white one with threadbare spots and strings coming out of the ends. I couldn't use the green towel. This alternator is racist.

So first I flipped it over. There are four screw/bolt fasteners on this side. You can get them off with a nut driver....



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With an assistant because they're really in there...



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Now that the four screws are out, take a look at the alternator back. You need to remember the plug's position in relation to the top screw hole so you can reassemble it exactly as it was. YOURS MIGHT NOT LOOK LIKE MINE.



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With the screw/bolty things out you can now very gently pull the back off of the alternator. Like cracking an egg!



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When you take them apart you'll hear a SPROING! sound as the brushes pop free from their guides. Don't worry. They're tethered by a wire.



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Now reach in with your nut driver and release these three nuts that tie the wires wound around the outside to the innards.



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Then you can free up the winding part. It probably won't come out easy, you'll have to rock it back and forth a bit but be careful! You don't want to mess it up.



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FetchMeAPepsi May 29th, 2013 06:38 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Ok thats done. What a mess. Dig down inside the shell more now and unscrew the three bolts holding the regulator on.



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It just pops right out once it's loose. Now you can push the "brushes" back in and out again in their slots with the springs. Yeah, you know you wanna. Now do it and say to yourself "Sproing!". Go ahead and get that out of your system.



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Now get your air hose or can of compressed air and blow the dirt out of your system a little.

FetchMeAPepsi June 1st, 2013 12:54 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
I forgot to mention "Tools you will need".

You'll need:

7/16 Nut driver
11/32 Nut driver
5/16 Nut driver
1/4 Nut driver
Flathead screwdriver for prying and banging
Hammer
A rebuild kit from Ebay or wherever
A toothpick or paperclip if your kit doesn't include something similar

(Jeannie if you notice this would you move it to my first post on pulling the alternator? I can't edit it anymore)


Now moving forward you'll need to remove the rectifier. It has three bolts on it and one nut. It also has a little black boxy thing shown here on it. Don't lose that, you won't get a new one in your kit if it's like mine!



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After removing the three bolts you'll remove the one nut. It is the other side of the terminal you connect to a wire in your truck. It might fall out of the back when you take it off. If it does you'll probably never see it again.



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Now for the bearings. My kit came with bearings for both the front and the back. I read online about people just popping them out with a screwdriver easy peasy.



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Mine didn't. I ended up digging all of the little bearings and an unbelievable amount of grease out of it, ripping it to shreds. That left the case the bearings were in. At the time I didn't know you could bang on the back of it with a punch and just push it on through. You should do that instead of what I did. Or you can take it to a mechanic and he can use a press to push the bearing and sleeve out.
If you're hardheaded like me you can probably get it out yourself. But it's not easy.

In learning how to handle this I hit it with a hammer, banged on it with punches, pried on it with stuff, and generally buggared it up really well.



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I spent 2 hours banging on this thing trying to get it out. :pullinghairout::pullinghairout::pullinghairout:
I questioned whether or not it COULD come out. If I had been a swearing man I would have called it and it's creators everything I could think of. Instead I just said, "Dang it!" alot and made frowny faces. Finally I grabbed a screwdriver and placed it on the very tiny seam of the sleeve and the housing. It's VERY tiny.

I got lucky and the screwdriver caught.:ahhhh:



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I carried on and banged it straight through.



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It popped this thing out on my toes.



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SUCCESS!!!!!!

Ok get your rebuild kit. Mine came in looking like this from Ebay.



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Unpacked:



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Grab your bearings for the back and get 'em snugged up.



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Now bang 'em in very gently until you get it flush with the housing. Don't get it crooked or you'll be buying a new set.



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Now put this blurry little bolt in. Mine came in my kit so I got to use a brand new one. New stuff makes me happy.



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Now drop in your new rectal fire (ha ha ha).



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Then put your bolts in the rectifier. Don't forget that little black boxy thing!



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Now drop in your regulator (the white thing on the bottom of the pic).



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If you'll notice in the above pic I damaged the center fin on the housing in front of the rectifier. This was done when I was trying everything in my arsenal against that stupid bearing. Be careful where you pry...

Get your brushes now. Mine were missing until I looked in the holes. Duh. I dug them out and put the springs in the slots. Then I put it on top of the regulator.



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Put your three prong thingy on after that (metal part with black box in the middle, it bolts to the three prongs on the rectifier).



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Put this little caterpillar looking thing on last. My kit didn't come with a new one so I hope it's working.



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Now poke your paperclip, toothpick, or metal thingy through the back to hold the brushes in.



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FetchMeAPepsi June 1st, 2013 09:53 PM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Flip it back over and hold the brushes in against the springs so you can poke the toothpick-y thing through the holes and keep them locked inside.



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Now grab your big wire wrappy part and gently put it back on. It looks like a bunch of copper spaghetti that someone dropped in a blender. It might have holes that go by each screw port to help you see which side goes where. Also there's those three wires. They make good markers too. :lolflag:



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Tighten down these three nuts. One thing I can't abide is a fat yellow chicken.

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And loose nuts.



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Settle the top portion back down into it's new bearing home taking care to put the upper bolt hole in the right location compared to the two prong plug outlet.



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Run the bolts in



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Then remove the toothpick thingy from the back to set the brushes free and give it a spin to see if it spins! If you did it all right it should spin pretty freely.

Mine didn't. Like most everything I do I had to do it twice.



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I tried to remove the front nut to get the front bearing replaced and had an awful time so I didn't replace it. You should if you can. When I tried I ended up marring the spinny teeth things as you can see above. It caught on the magnets inside the spaghetti thing. That was bad. I ended up filing it down so that it cleared again.



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This means that it's now lighter on that side and will be rougher on the bearings by a little bit. So I've probably got a new alternator in my future after all, but for now it works.

FetchMeAPepsi June 4th, 2013 05:34 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Today I spent over 2 hours monkeying around with an electrical gremlin. I chased the brown wire from the alternator to the idiot light and found that if the plug is out by just a hair it won't work. Really, a hair's width. Sensitive little fellow.

Then the parts fairy showed up cleverly disguised as a Fedex driver. Notice the wings.



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She delivered my Slick Sand, my paint sprayer, my extra tips, durablocks and sandpaper, taping paper, tape, a water/oil filter for the air line, and some inner panel rustproofer. I love getting presents!



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And this little gizmo. It's a creeper that folds up into a chair that rolls. It's awesome!



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Maybe one day they'll let me try it...



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That was about it for today. Oh, and that battery finally bit the dust. For now Cecilia's running off of my jumpbox.


Oh wait, I did something else too. You see this lil' critter sitting next to my dead battery? It's a little overflow tank I picked up for $22 bucks on Amazon. It goes to a 1992 Toyota Camry and it fits perfectly in the empty spot beside the battery here. I do need to work on the hose routing a bit, but I'm very pleased with this little gem. Cheap, does the job, and fits snug without any drilling or screwing.



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FetchMeAPepsi June 17th, 2013 01:24 AM

Re: 1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)
 
Today it was 98 freaking degrees outside. I worked on some water play for the kids then when they were enjoying a cooling off they'll probably remember forever, I sneaked 100 ft over to Cecilia and got to work on her leaky radiator.

For a while now I've been bugged by her steaming up when she gets hot. She gets up to normal operating temperature then out of the top right hand side (driver's side) she'll shoot steam out onto the motor. It's cost me around $10.00 in distilled water jugs so far to refill her.

If you've followed along you'll know that I still have to drive her from time to time so I grabbed a very handy little coolant overflow tank that fit perfectly on the other side of the battery. This kept her cool while I did my necessaries until I could get her pulled apart and get parts in for fixing her.

So I go to work pulling her radiator out. It's a pretty easy and straightforward process. And I was surprised by how light the radiator was. It was probably 50 lbs or so I'd guess. Heavy but not too bad.

Tools you will need:
Flathead screwdriver
Wrenches to disconnect the battery
9/16 socket wrench and one small extension
Some carburetor cleaning dip
Some 50/50 silver solder
A propane torch
A wire brush or wire wheel for your drill


The first thing I did was disconnect the battery. That's because I'd be working right around the engine fan and I sure didn't want to lose an arm. My dad had stories about guys that had been working on cars and a helpful kid or a mistaken wire turned the engine over and broke their arms off. I don't know if the stories are true, but I'm attached to my appendages.



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Then I took loose the top hose. There's just one screw clamp on it. This gets it out of the way in case things go sideways down in the bottom hose we're working on.



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Remember with these you don't remove them, you just loosen them so they'll slide down the hose a bit.



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Then give the ol' hose a wiggle and a twist. And POP! Off she comes. Notice the rust.



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Then I unscrewed the bottom hose. It's wayyy down on the bottom. It takes a flathead screwdriver too.



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When you get the bottom hose loose make sure to remove it all the way from the radiator or it'll hang you up when you go to pick the radiator up and out.



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When you take the bottom hose off it'll spring forth with a green rain. REMEMBER for those of you that have shop dogs or cats that this stuff is POISONOUS and it will KILL THEM. Plus it tastes sweet so they love it and over indulge. Water it down with the hose if you don't want to be burying fluffy tomorrow. Or collect it.
I actually was going to clamp off the hose before taking it off but it has a spring inside the hose to keep it from collapsing. It won't clamp.



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