HEI Conversion
 

I am new to the 351E V6 world.. Thought I had plenty of knowledge on motors... but evidently not when I came across my newly purchased 1967 GMC Camper Cruiser with a 351E V6.

I am wanting to change to HEI... I read info on website, but need to get the drawings by Edwin Erlbacher. I have donated to site and also tried to leave an email about wanting this info. If anyone can let me know how to get these drawings... I would greatly appreciate it.

Archie
561-899-0000 Cell

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lots of guys have changed to HEI using (I think) a buick distributor from the 70s that is a direct drop-in or a Petronix adapter. I haven't done it (I'm too purist), but I hear it's easy peasy. MelMashman did this and a bunch of other members. Here's a thread about it

http://6066gmcclub.com/showthread.ph...light=petronix


Oh, and TJ had a thread mentioning it too. He's real easygoing. He'll probably reply if you PM him.

http://6066gmcclub.com/showthread.php?t=49320



Edit: Oh, and :welcome: to the club!

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I believe Rod is the guy who makes the sleeves/bushings for this upgrade; here is another link. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

http://6066gmcclub.com/showthread.ph...&highlight=HEI

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Thanks for the info... but Rod is currently out of the Spacers.... so I am trying to locate drawings etc.... .

My ultimate plan is to make one for myself and have several others available already modified and ready to use.

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I got this one. A bit pricey, but ready to go.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hei-Chevy-GM...dWrimE&vxp=mtr

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Hi Archie! Got yer PM and PM'd ya back. lol

As mentioned, looks like the conversion your doing is the buick v6 mod. I personally know nothing about it. The pertronix took me 5 minutes to do so I did it. haha

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Thanks for all the responses.... great help..

I ended up ordering the one that Kchampagne gave me a link to. A little pricey, but it is already done and I don't need to spend time that my wife says I don't have.....

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:lolsmack2: Priorities get mixed up when you get a girl involved. You gotta learn to rub her back with one hand and turn a wrench with another. It's the ol' "hug and roll" move!

http://i66.tinypic.com/t8vu43.jpg



Hey, how about some pics of your ride? :thumbsup:

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http://www.cars-on-line.com/slidesho...4-lightbox.jpg

This is from online from the guy who I purchased it from. I will post some more

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Nice truck

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Very nice truck!

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Awesome car!

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Any updates on this?

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Right in the middle of a Buick conversion.

78 Buick Even fire v6 HEI distributor. Cap has 6 towers not 8 with 2 plugged. cap with 8 towers with 2 plugged is for a odd fire V6.

Old distributor is on the bench with drive gear removed. Sleeve is in the lathe about 50% finished, Rockauto has complete distributor for under $100 delivered,
it should be here tomorrow.

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Glenn, in Morton, WA
I would love to see a picture of your C7500.
Mine is an RM 7500 with the 401Mand 5x2 driveling setup.
Rod Johnson
Issaquah, WA.

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Hello Rod,

Will see if I can get a good picture when the weather clears.

Buick distributor is in and running, great mod. It was static timed and fired up as soon as I turned the key. Used to have to choke it fully and pump the gas peddle, but not this time, 1/2 choke and it was running before I got a chance to hit the peddle. When I got the light on it I was only off by a few degrees, static put it at 11 degrees and I run it at 8 to 8.5 degrees.

Mod was easy, but during the study time a important detail showed up I had not read about. This might help someone who finds the mod not working as described in the other writings.

GM's small block (which includes the Buick even fire V6) has a interesting difference as compared to GMC's big block V6.

The GM distributor uses up-thrust to position the star wheel correctly to the pickup. This is controlled by the thrust washer you will find between the top of the drive gear and the bottom of the distributor housing on the Buick factory distributor.

Now the cam for the points in the GMC big block V6 is positioned so the rubbing block of the points rides in the center of the cam by down-thrust, which pushes the distributor drive gear down against the engine block. You will notice that there is a flange on the bottom of the distributor drive gear you should also notice that the bottom of the drive gear is polished like a mirror when you remove the distributor.

Now if you will take the new Buick distributor remove the cap and rotor push up on the gear and while doing this inspect the star wheel and the pickup pole pieces you will see how the distributor manufacturer aligned the star wheel to the pole pieces. Remember what you see, we will come back to this in a minute.

Question is how to convert the Buick distributor from up-thrust to work in a GMC big block down-thrust application? Answer not a big problem it just takes a little fussing around.

By now you should have noticed that the old points distributor has a huge amount of shaft end play.

Things that you should also pay attention to, watch the oil pump drive rod depth in the gear, the Buick shaft may be a little to long and reduce the depth of the drive recess when the gear is correctly installed.

So, now you have the drive gears off the old and new distributors. Throw away the Buick drive gear, thrust washer, and roll pin.

The GMC drive gear should be a nice slip fit onto the Buick distributor.

This needs to be turned into a light drive fit. Take a center punch and raise a few burrs around the shaft where the gear is going to end up (the space between the top of the old gear and the bottom of the new distributor housing will be a little less than 3/16 in.) Start the gear onto the shaft and rotate where you want it in regards to the flattened end of the shaft, then drive it on until there is about a 3/16 in. gap between the top of the gear and the bottom of the housing. Now take it to the engine and install it (Use the hold down clamp). Now don't worry about timing, just get engaged in the cam gear and oil pump drive. Remember the relationship between the star wheel and pickup? Hope so, as this is where we come back to it.

Inspect the star wheel and pickup pole pieces, the star wheel should be standing tall! Now use a 3/8 drive socket to protect the top of the distributor shaft and a small hammer and tap the shaft into the gear until the star wheel is where it belongs in relationship to the pickup pole pieces.

Carefully remove the distributor from the engine (not moving the shaft and gear setting) and drill a hole through the old gear and new Buick shaft and install a new roll pin, use red lock tite on the roll pin.

You have now converted a up-thrust distributor to a down-thrust distributor. When installed and timed the star wheel and pole pieces will line up just like they did in the Buick engine.

Glenn

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Hello gang! The old Jolly website has the info you are looking for on the Buick V6 distributor. Ed Erlbacher did a great job engineering the sleeve you are talking about. Hope this is of some help.

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You can also contact Davessmallbodyheis.com. Hes doing a conversion of my original distributor for a GM TBI conversion on a 401M. There are multiple options. Very knowledgeable guy and good communication. Pull up his Gallery page. http://www.davessmallbodyheis.com

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Somewhere there should be A thread on my HEI conversion. Pretty much lost to me. Might be on the old forum.