1960 Pick up VIN location
 

I know there have been some posts about this, but I was wondering if anyone had some new insight...

The kick panel plate, as far as I know is not the VIN plate, but the ratings plate.

Here's my story:

So, I tried to get a title for my truck and part of that process is taking the vehicle to the sheriff office vehicle theft unit and they give you a forum so you can complete the process.

They weren't accepting the door frame plate with the serial number and wanted the vin from the chassis, which they believe to be on the drivers side on the top of the frame rail, just in front of the rear cab mount. So, since I might be replacing the cab anyways, I cut open the floor to expose that part of the frame and there was nothing there.

There was nothing that I could see on the front part of the frame (horns? area).

From what I've read, Chevys may have had these stampings on the frame, but the GMC's didn't, especially my year of truck, 1960.

Any thoughts on this?

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What is your VIN number/Serial Number on your "door frame"?...and what do you mean by door frame exactly? You also mention a kick panel plate. There is no frame/chassis stamp. Do you have two plates? If so, where exactly are they?

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Serial# on the drivers side cab door frame reads: 1001 P N35631A

I know that 1001 means its a 1/2 ton with a SWB, I know the 'P' means Pontiac, Michigan manufactured, and I know that the 'N' is the year designation, sort of....60 and 61 and the rest is the number of manufacture and the 'A' means its GVW is 6000 lbs or less.

But I believe the sheriff is expecting to find a different number stamped somewhere on the chassis, which from what I've read, doesn't exist on GMC's of my year. Chevrolet's, I believe there are stampings.

I just want to know if there are any other areas on the frame I could investigate.

The serial # unfortunately doesn't specify the color code or anything else outside of things listed above.

It just sucks because I think the sheriff believes that there should be a VIN outside of the serial #, which might not be the case.

Like I mentioned earlier, I opened up the floor on the cab over the driver side rear cab mount and cleaned the dirty and rust off and no sign of a stamping at all. :-/

Here is the door frame plate I am referring to...

http://6066gmcguy.com/gmc-id/1963-vintag-1.jpg

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Since I did ask you how many plates you have and exactly where they were and you show a Chevy A pillar with a stainless steel plate, I assume you have that one plate at that location. If so, something is wrong with your truck. There is only one plate on 1960 GMC 1/2 T and it is not located as in the picture. It is an all-in-one plate with VIN and Motor info. There is NO frame stamping on USA 1960 GMC 1/2T. There is something very fishy about your truck, The person who did the VIN switch did not know that GMC tag is not located there. He just assumed it was the same as Chevy. Looks like a Chevy cab with a phony GMC VIN. GMC Clone. Unless you clarify this VIN tag and location more clearly to me. Maybe someone else has seen a tag there on 60-61. However, the GMC manual clearly states where the tag is and what it looks like. I see you are wanting a tag in another post. That tag is wrong for your truck. Not just the wrong motor designation but the wrong tag altogether.

Not sure what this sentence means regarding "outside of the"
It just sucks because I think the sheriff believes that there should be a VIN outside of the serial #,

Also to be clear about terms. I am guilty also......The term VIN was NOT used yet by GMC. It is, in fact, a serial number. Not a VIN... but we all use both terms...but you used them both in one sentence, so I wanted to be sure what you meant?

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But that photo I provided was a link to this sites information about VINs on GMC's. Is that wrong? Perhaps the site admin should be made aware.

This is the page I got that photo from. As far as I can tell, the kick panel plate is just for the vehicle rating.
http://6066gmcguy.com/GMCID1.html

The ratings plate that should be on the kick panel is missing.

kick panel plate here:

http://6066gmcguy.com/gmc-id/ratingplate_1.jpg

from this information page as well.:
http://6066gmcguy.com/GMCID1.html

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good to know that there is absolutely no frame stamping, since I don't have one.

It's just going to take some effort to convince the sheriff.

Thanks Ken.

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I have told you everything you need to know. You are obviously hiding something about your truck or you can't understand my questions. We are not going to participate or give info to someone who has no title, no answers and does not respond to questions. Your truck is fishy, as I said. Don't show me pictures of a VIN plate off of a website to blow smoke on the issue. When you are ready, which I doubt, to respond to what you have and what you are up to, let me know.
We will correct any errors on the Jolly Legacy Page. That info is for locating a plate when buying a truck, it's not for building an abandon, stolen, salvage or clone truck.

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Nothing to hide Ken. I've told you everything I know and I have provided THIS SITES (6066gmcguy.org is the parent to the forums) facts about where VINs should be, so I think there might be something the matter with your GMCs since mine seems to match what THIS site says is correct.

Blowing smoke? Are you high? You do realize those pictures are from THIS WEBSITE. Look at the URL.

I'm starting to think you're this sites troll. This is the second time you've been rude and condescending and act like you know it all. Please do not respond to anything I post. You are not helpful.

Go to this site, it might make it more clear to you... http://www.6066gmcguy.org/

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Not sure what this sentence means regarding "outside of the"

"it just sucks because i think the sheriff believes that there should be a vin outside of the serial #, "

also to be clear about terms. I am guilty also......the term vin was not used yet by gmc. It is, in fact, a serial number. Not a vin... But we all use both terms...but you used them both in one sentence, so i wanted to be sure what you meant?
MY truck, the trucks on the internet and the 1960 Manual says that the Page you keep using could be a little off. We will investigate and correct.

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The legacy site shows where things should be (which includes being useful when buying a truck).

The other users on another vintage truck site also state the location of my serial # plate matches theirs.

My tag/plate with my serial, or what the DMV is going to refer to as a "VIN" is where it's supposed to be. The ratings plate is missing. But there are holes where the rivets used to be.

So that said, it's most likely my truck is simply without a title and has been lost over the years. So, it being a clone seems unlikely. It's not some mysterious, conspiracy GMC frame, cab swap.

It has all the correct parts....the correct motor, carburetor, all parts ordered from NAPA (with the exception of the distributor) are a perfect match.

It has the original under cab fuel filter, etc., etc.

I look forward to someone "correcting" the old information site. It seems to have been correct about everything else so far.

All I was looking for, if there was a possibility of a stamping somewhere on the chassis. You seem to think there shouldn't be, as do many others. So the contribution I needed from you has been fulfilled.

Yeah, my serial plate for my truck is exactly where 1000 series truck is supposed to be...
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s....php?p=3000006

Another well known site validating mine is in the correct place. Let's see this manual you keep telling us about. Snap a picture for a brother, would ya?

Thanks again Ken for your rude and condescending response.

Always a pleasure. Please stop responding to any of my posts.

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I didn't say the motor, carburetor and filter were incorrect, I said the cab may be. Those items are NOT connected to the cab.
That's the trouble with WIKI sites, they keep repeating the same thing. Get yourself a GMC x-6023 manual. Read it. It says what I said it says. They are all over Ebay. Save up and buy one. Your truck VIN plate is wrong. Need to learn to search better. Don't keep looking at the same picture on different sites and thinking that is proof. That's not intelligent. You make it hard to get thru to you and it sounds condescending because you don't like that you are wrong and are using wrong info and not my info. I've said several times that we will correct it. Can't do it tonight. Good luck with your Title mess. Can't help people who won't listen. I know you are doing something fishy and you know it, bro.

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Post a picture from this manual speak of please.

Reference added to my previous post. It references the 6066gmcguy site as a source, but posters in that thread confirm what the 6066gmcguy information states.

Another clone found! See this build thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=444502

Look at this picture, found in thread posting #7

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Classic, rude and condescending Ken.

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I don't need to, you have one. I just need you to snap a picture of yours that tells the exact placement of a 1000 series 1960 GMC truck.

You want to be helpful, do that.

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OK, this may count in your mind as rude and condescending but, respectfully: Your own link proves what I said, You just didn't look.

If I post a picture of the manual for you it does two things.
1. Helps you plan your scam on the DMV
2. Allows you to call me a liar
3. Maybe someone else will help you

You are going to have to learn this deal the hard way. You say: don't respond to your posts.
You make condescending remarks about "must also be a clone". You ask for a picture from my manual.
I think I'll not respond now and watch you get schooled. You ask and you got the answer you didn't want. So you call it condescending, Makes you feel good.

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And there you have folks, a list of odd and weak excuses so Ken doesn't have to admit he's wrong.
Thanks again, for nothing Ken.

Please don't respond. Good riddance.

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Tell you what Bro, you post your genuine original Factory GMC riveted "A" pillar plate and I'll post the Manual page. Now will see who's weak buddy.

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I thought you were done and were going to let me fade away?

Here ya go buddy...a picture of the document I was going to send in my DMV packet. Also, I already took the whole truck on a trailer to the sheriffs office.
Hey! Look at the picture I attached, it's the same serial # I posted earlier.

Also, we know who's weak Ken. It's you.

Are you done yet? You going to let me fade away?

You can post the manual pages if you want, but I'm getting another member, who has that manual to find those pages, if they exist and send them to me.

I'll post them here once I get them. If you're right, I'll still post them, because that's what adults do.

Also, please let me fade away. No really, please let me.

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Here's a picture of the old registration sticker from when it was last registered in Texas....

The lengths I must be going to, to mastermind this plan of mine huh?

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Don't know if I should step in here, but just wanted to share my knowledge and research on the subject. I have a 1960 and 1961 GMC, both 1000 series. Both have factory drilled holes on the left door (A) pillar, apparently for a serial number (VIN) plate, but no plate was ever riveted there. Both factory paint. Instead, the serial number is stamped on the ratings plate on the left kick panel area. Both vehicles were inspected here in Colorado after being brought here from out of state and were titled from that serial number location. Yes I have heard that Texas is particularly strict on title issues.

I have also taken the time to look at the picture albums on this site and elsewhere, and have seen multiple 60 and 61's with the same thing: 2 holes on the door pillar with the same spacing and size, and no plate there. I assume those trucks also have their serial numbers on the data plate. I also have heard that GMC's from this era do not have frame stamped serial numbers.
I hope this helps.

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Finally! Someone with some useful information.

Thank you for that.

Now, what I wonder is, since the holes are there, perhaps trucks manufactured in different plants have serial #'s in different locations? Perhaps trucks destined for different states had difference tagging requirements? The latter may not be real since it seems regulations were a lot lighter back then. Just ideas.

Mine was manufactured in Pontiac, Michigan , I wonder if that's the difference.

Thanks again, SnazzyP.

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I'm not sure if this helps, but I've got a 1961 1500 series and the VIN plate is on the door frame.

On a side note, it's a bit rubbish that the Sheriff's office is being such a pain.

If I can register an imported GMC and get it registered in the nanny state that is QLD, then I can't see why you're having the issues that you're running into.

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I should also add, this is quite obviously a GMC cab. The dash looks nothing like the Chevrolet cabs, the engine matches my year(305A) as do many other components, so there is no doubt this is the correct tag for this vehicle.

Do the math:

1. it has a legitimate GMC serial # that matches my vehicle

2. The engine ID matches the year on the serial # tag

3. There are pictures of GMC ratings plates WITHOUT serial #'s on them

4. There are pictures of other GMC 1000 series trucks with the tags on the A pillar

5. This truck was pretty much untouched and not hacked on at all.

6. The paint matches on all the panels. If you dig down through the green top coat, you get down to the original yellow, on all panels. Chevy and GMC did not share the same color pallets

7. Since these trucks were made in several locations, the process may have been different for tagging

8. If said manual states the plates are in a certain location, does that mean that the manual is correct, but fails to mention or know that other locations or possibilities exist? It seems that the manual is not incorrect, but rather incomplete.

9. Since people have been posting that their GMCs have the factory holes for the plate, in the area that mine is in, but no plate and that since I'm missing my ratings plate, but the holes exist for it, and my a pillar plate has all of the ratings information on it, with the GMC moniker, it seems the logical conclusion is that not all plants followed the same tagging procedure.

It seems that my truck may be an anomaly or not encountered or posted about until now and on the information site for this very forum. But everything about my truck lines up, except for the location, which again, could be correct, since it's an original badge, with GMC written on it and has the correct information that lines up with my truck.

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Thanks for the response.

Well, it's Texas and it's a smaller sheriff's office. My truck is at our shop property, out of town and it was just easier to haul the truck to this sheriff rather than negotiate the downtown streets of Austin with a 16 ft. trailer in tow ;-)

By chance, do you know what plant your truck came out of?

The 'P' in my serial is for Pontiac, MI.

I appreciate your addition to the discussion. Perhaps we'll figure out what the differences are and perhaps add it back to the original information site.

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Bad info redacted.

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FYI - for 1000 series trucks, 'N' was the designation for 60 and 61 model years only.

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Hopefully this helps?

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The full vin is 1502CN3796B

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Very helpful. Thanks.

Well, I guess being manufactured in Pontiac, MI isn't the common denominator.

Being in Queensland, I'm guessing everything GM are Holdens?

Have some square bear for me ;-)

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Lol I wish it was as easy as swapping Holden for gm parts...

Having said that, the old Holden suburbans look pretty much identical.... I wonder....

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Don't listen to AZKen on this. He is wrong.

I have had a couple 60-61 GMCs, the VIN tag was on the pillar. Sometimes they have the data plate on the kick panel as well, sometimes they don't.
If it wasn't 11:06 at night and raining heavy, I'd go photograph mine.

Apparently some had it on the pillar, others on the data plate. Some had no VIN on the data plate. I'm not sure there was any true uniformity to how or where the VIN was placed.

No GMC of the 60-66 variety that I have scrapped has had the VIN stamped on the frame. Chevy did, but not all trucks of that era either. I have scrapped 2 Chevrolets from 60-63 and neither had such a stamp on the frame.

Don't have to wait for tomorrow. I had a picture of my first truck, a '61.
http://oeltd.net/doc/My%20Vehicles/6...500Grey-04.jpg

And you are correct, the "N" is only for "60 and '61 model years. The information on the "old" pages is very accurate, I'd go by what it says. A lot of time and effort was put into those pages.

AZKen might also want to read his manual. Not just look at the pictures.
and I quote:
The chassis serial number is stamped on an identification plate, shown at left. Plate is mounted on cowl left side panel inside the cab or on left door hinge pillar.

Obviously the larger data plate won't fit on the pillar, so the one you show (which matches mine) was used.

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David's right. AP's right. Two styles, only one shown in manual.

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Photo from manual of that section. I have checked in my 61 and can not find a VIN stamp or partial serial number anywhere. I even used a mirror to check on top of the frame, under the cab and found nothing there. It is my understanding that GMC's do not have one on the frame. Hopefully showing this to the agency checking the ID will help resolve the issue.

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Thanks a bunch David. I'll have to articulate this to the sheriff and perhaps get in contact with whomever runs the information site to see if we can get some clarification about there absolutely not being any frame stampings and that there was a lack of uniformity in those years.

From what I could tell, the sheriff was scouring the web for information on my type of truck.

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Funky 61, that photo is perfect! I'll print to show sheriff next time. I may just try to find a copy of that manual to just but also to show the sheriff.

Thanks for the response.

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Thanks for the response Ken.

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Sounds like your truck is just right,

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Sheriff is wrong, sounds like your truck is right, I have bought several vehicles with out titles In Kansas, The Kansas Troopers do the inspection, they have books that show Vin,. locations for all vehicles. You might check with your State troopers, and get some proof to show Chevy and Gmc are not the same. Chevy has stamped frame rail.

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Thanks bobdylan. That's a good idea about the troopers. The state trooper headquarters is in Austin, near where I live, so it's worth a shot.