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FetchMeAPepsi March 24th, 2014 07:27 PM

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Glad I could help! Heres some red dots where your mounts might be if they're like mine. Look underneath the bed and youll see big hairy bolts running thru the frame. I took pics when I took them off the first time but looking back they didnt show too much. SOrry about that. I'll do it again when I take it off this next time.

GMCDAC March 25th, 2014 03:33 AM

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Hey Fetch, I will get pics of those brackets as soon as I won't get frostbite taking them!

Yes that is what I need to do with the belts in the '55 build a plate or strap to spread the support further around the floor board rather than relying on washers. Since I used different seats I had to build a completely different tilt mechanism for the passenger side seat in my '70 Jimmy. That required some floor reinforcement too.

Seat belts can go bad with time, as the webbing and the stitching can deteriorate through the years. In racing, even at a local level you must replace all your belts every 2 years and some tracks are every year. If they were in a hard wreck re-using them is prohibited too. I've got a pile of out dated racing belts laying around here, no idea why---------.

I haven't had time to update my truck thread but since we talked about it here I will throw in a pic of the belts as I found them in my '55 when I pulled the front seat for the first time. The year is visible on the closest one.

DAC

GMCDAC March 31st, 2014 01:21 AM

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Hello again Fetch,
Took a few minutes to get the pics of bumper brackets. They are 1/4" plate. I have to go right away, we are under a blizzard warning for tonight with power outages possible. I better get flashlights ready and ipods charged. Better fuel and pump up the coleman lantern and stove too! I was without power 27 hours in the Oct. 4th and 5th Blizzard.

DAC

FetchMeAPepsi April 5th, 2014 01:04 AM

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Hello again Fetch,
Took a few minutes to get the pics of bumper brackets. They are 1/4" plate. I have to go right away, we are under a blizzard warning for tonight with power outages possible. I better get flashlights ready and ipods charged. Better fuel and pump up the coleman lantern and stove too! I was without power 27 hours in the Oct. 4th and 5th Blizzard.

DAC

Thanks for the pics Dac! That makes it clear as day. I could probably build my own brackets and bolt them up with those measurements. I'm not entirely sure I want to tear it off, but if I do it'll be this summer. I'd really like to get everything mechanical fixed this summer and have nothing left over winter but paint. Lets see how we do, life has a way of getting all sideways :thumbsup:

FetchMeAPepsi April 5th, 2014 01:30 AM

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I dont remember if I mentioned it but my hub has the squeaky butt going on somewhere. I left the hubs locked all fall and winter (dunno if that matters) but when I noticed the sound I unlocked them. Poof - no more squeak. So I figured it's time for a hub rebuild.

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:poke: Time out - Remember we dropped the transfer case a while back? You're probably wondering what happened to that. Nothing! I filled it back with oil and bolted it back in so I could use Cecilia for making a few haul trips. We will get back to the Timkin (Rockwell) T221, I promise!


Like many of my cells, my brain knows nothing about 4 wheel drive. There's not a lot of info out there either for 1960, 1961, or 1962 GMC trucks. In 1963 the hubs changed to a better kind with an addition of self adjusting brakes. I don't know what else is better exactly, just that they are. To tell if you have the older hubs take your wheel off and measure your hub from the brake cover to the end of the hub. If it's about 5 1/2 inches long then you have the old style hubs. If it's exactly 5 inches you have the new style.



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Now for information time. This is everything I found about these Power Train Tools branded hubs:
  • My hubs are a Selectro clone, called Power Train Tools.
  • They've been called Sears brand and Dualamatic as well.
  • They were OEM from many vehicles for years.
  • They were used on Military vehicles.
  • They were manufactured by Husky up until they were bought out by MileMarker and then the quality fell off.
  • If you have a model before about 1973 then they're great and strong enough for rock climbing.
  • They're hard to turn to "free" when they get bound up with road gunk. I turn mine with a rubber pipe turning thingy like this.


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  • To unlock or lock you turn the entire outside knob. This is designed to make it easy to use with gloves.
  • It also keeps them from getting snow and mud inside a selector knob.
  • All you should have to do with the locking hubs is completely disassemble, clean, re-grease and reassemble unless they're broken.
  • Parts are a bit tough for the early 60s 4x4s.
  • Bearings and seals are no problem at all (we'll get to part numbers in a bit)
  • Locking hubs are still available that will fit if these hubs if they are beyond repair.
  • The earlier 60s used a different style front brake backing plate until about 63. The first design had brake shoe adjusting cam for each shoe. The later versions have the self adjusting brakes.
  • Parts are available for both.
  • Knuckle bearings and seals are also still available, so that's no problem. (I still dont know what a knuckle bearing is :ahhhh:)
  • The one thing that is tough to find is the shim for the upper steering arm on the drivers side knuckle.
  • Leave the steering arm attached as studs for it are tough to find.
  • Just take the lower king pin off and removed the knuckle that way.
  • Also shim the pre-load for the knuckle during assembly from the bottom king pin only. It works out just fine that way.
  • You can get a lot of the parts for the earlier brake styles from a Willys Jeep supplier of all places as most of the stuff was the same.
  • Spindles are getting tough to find
  • Early style hubs are scarce, but the later ones that are intended for the self adjusting style backing plate are still out there.
  • So long as your bearing races are loose in the hub or spin, they should be useable.

(special thanks to Jonathan for about half of that list!)

FetchMeAPepsi April 5th, 2014 03:46 AM

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Now that you know so much you had to tape your head together, lets get to the meat and pa'taters of the deal.

Grab your trusty 4 way and just break the lug nuts loose.



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DO NOT take them off or your truck will stomp your toes.



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Then jack up your axle. This probably isn't the best place to put the jack, but it's where I always do.



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If your arms get tired hire some neighborhood kids to jack it up for you. Kids are lazy these days and need to be reminded what a hard day's work looks like! :whipit:



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Once it's jacked up put it on jack stands for safety. Jacks can and do fail often! They're only a little oil and a valve. Valves break!

Now run your lug nuts all the way off and put them somewhere safe. Slip the wheel off and set it against a fence.



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If you don't have a fence, build one and set it against it. :cutwood:
Fences are known for their almost gravitational tire holding ability. Anything else is just a light.
:bbeer:



Next (on mine) are three screws and three allen wrench bolts. (Allen bolts?)
Take those out. The allen wrench needs to be 1/8".



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Then slip a flathead screwdriver between the plastic and the metal then STOP. Put your hand over the plastic now or you'll be sorry.
Holding it? Good. Now go ahead and give it a gently pry.



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It'll pop right off into your hand. Or your lap. Or the street next door. :poke:



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FetchMeAPepsi April 5th, 2014 03:53 AM

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Here's what mine looked like on the inside. I don't know what I expected, ground metal maybe?



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Now grab this around-y part and pull on it. It all comes out.



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Then drop it all in the dirt.



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No, don't do that. The grease on here is really water resistant and simple soap and water doesn't work for cleaning it. I knocked the big rocks off and put it in my carb cleaner overnight.



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BarryGMC April 5th, 2014 04:09 AM

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Good news that selectro looks good. These are really good hubs actually. Everyone in 67-72 land wants the blue knob spicers but the selectros and warns are better. Squeaks in 4x4 won't be in the hubs. The hubs lock the axle to the wheel hub. Kind of like a switch. On off. The sound usually come from the outer axle inner bearing or the axle joint. So dig deeper and you will find it. Btw I like these old selectros because when it 20 below you can actually engage them with a glove on. Barry

FetchMeAPepsi April 5th, 2014 06:06 PM

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Good news that selectro looks good. These are really good hubs actually. Everyone in 67-72 land wants the blue knob spicers but the selectros and warns are better. Squeaks in 4x4 won't be in the hubs. The hubs lock the axle to the wheel hub. Kind of like a switch. On off. The sound usually come from the outer axle inner bearing or the axle joint. So dig deeper and you will find it. Btw I like these old selectros because when it 20 below you can actually engage them with a glove on. Barry


That's what I thought when I saw them. They're still toothy and I think that's about all they need to be good. They do have too much grease on them from what I'm reading though. Some people just put a little 10w90 Penzoil on them and call it good, but I think they get in there 2x a year and re-oil them. I don't really want to have to do that so I'll re-grease them with just a smidge of grease to keep them from rusting I think.





My next step it to clean off the "Steering Knuckle". It sounds like something you'd see on a robot. I don't know what that is so I googled it and got a bunch of pictures that didn't help at all. WHere would this even go?



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On the second page I ran across this and it made more sense.



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Knuckle = bendable part, steering = well you probably know what that is because you can't drive without it. So its the bendable part that connects to the steering. Bendable might not be right, more like "jointed".

Either way mine's coated in 50 years of road grime and rat poop. :poke:
That makes my next step Poop Removal. And a big ol THANK YOU to Vernski for the hand with that. If you remember way back on (insert page number here) he suggested a $30.00 tool for removing dirt and yucky stuff. It hooks to your compressor and kinda works like one of these



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It's called a Scaler. It looks like this:



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You can still get them at harbor freight for about 55.00. They make quick work of any caked on mud or grime. Just make sure to use them without pressing too hard if you're cleaning something delicate. They hammer the crap out of things to clean them.

BarryGMC April 5th, 2014 07:17 PM

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The wheel spindle bushing and the u joint are what you need to look at.

FetchMeAPepsi April 18th, 2014 09:51 PM

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The wheel spindle bushing and the u joint are what you need to look at.

Barry I'm gonna start throwing pickle juice in the yard between my house and yours to draw your house a little closer. I tried to make heads or tails out of that drawing but I cant seem to figure out how that cutaway matches up to Cecilia's front paw.

I dont seem to have a snap ring on it to release the hub (I might be wrong!) and I cant see how the case of the wheel where the lug bolts go in comes off. :(

I'll be fiddling with it more today to see what breaks loose :takethat:

FetchMeAPepsi April 19th, 2014 02:45 AM

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The end of a sore day of honeydo's and stuff. Tomorrow I split more wood and work on building a fish pond. :runforthehills:

But for a few hours today I got some time to play with Cecilia again. I put her hub back together so I could move her around front (and to the air compressor :thumbsup: ). The back of the wheel, no not the wheel. The back of the hub? The thing that ties up to the steering knuckle...It was filthy and I couldn't even make out most of the bolt heads going into it.

So I got out my scaler and BRRRRT!! Off it came. First from the front with the wheel turned.....



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When I had the front side cleaned enough that I could see shiny metal on it again I jacked up the center of the axle, turned the wheels the other way, then let it down again.



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A couple more brrt!'s and I was done.



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FetchMeAPepsi April 19th, 2014 02:51 AM

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Some of the gunk under there was 1/2 inch thick in places. It was pretty gross. I was left with a nice pile of fire-ready grease-dirt under the truck.



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I swept it exactly 2 feet out of my way. I'll put it in a trash sack tomorrow.



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Then I jacked up the side I was working on and "Standed" it.



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Now to get the hub thingy off again. I figured out you only need to take the screws off to get it off. Not the allen bolts. They just hold the locking mechanism in the cap. Good for safe keeping.



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And PLOP! This was off again. This puts me in the same place I was before, but with a cleaner um...hub back? Hub butt? :lolsmack:

BarryGMC April 19th, 2014 03:13 AM

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Here are some pics I will explain later . Its hard to do from a phone.

BarryGMC April 19th, 2014 03:27 AM

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BarryGMC April 19th, 2014 04:08 AM

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Ok. Top 2 pics show a closed and open knuckle front. The knuckle is the part that moves. Inside your closed knuckle is a u joint just like one in the open front. This joint transfers power out to your hub when in 4 wheel drive. The u joint connects the iner and outer shafts. The outer shaft goes through the spindle. That is the rusty part pictured last. The spindle is bolted to the knuckle and also is how the brake backing plate is attached . Next the cutaway pic shows an early internal spline hub drive flange. If you look where the dust cover snaps in there is a groove. In this groove you have a snap ring that holds the outer part of your hub. You then can remove that hub part. Then you will find a smaller snap ring that holds the inner hub part on the outer axle shaft. Then deep in there you will find a spindle nut a lock ring and another spindle nut. WARNING A SPECIAL SPINDLE NUT SOCKET IS NEEDED. The other diagram shows the bearings and spindle and knuckle. I also put a diagram of a later internal spline hub. While the hub parts look different than yours the two snap ring are the same. Well I need a break. Next we will discuss more about this job. Barry

FetchMeAPepsi April 19th, 2014 05:56 PM

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(beep beep beep beep!)

This is a Cecilia News Alert - snap ring found and removed! Complete story at 10...

:woo:


Also: Can't find the spindle socket locally so I'll be shopping on the internetz for it tonight.

BarryGMC April 19th, 2014 06:52 PM

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Here are some more pics. The details will come when I get to an l pad.

BarryGMC April 19th, 2014 08:25 PM

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Ok. Fetch here is some more. When you get the spindle nuts and brake drum off you will have the wheel Hub. That's what the wheel bolts to. You will pull this off. Please don't let the outer bearing fall in the dirt. Then you will see something like this. The first pic in my previous post. Remove the bolts. It may have studs with nuts. Remove the nuts. Lay the brake backing plate on the spring and remove the spindle. You may have to whack it to get it loose. Use a dead blow hammer or a piece of wood or brass if you use an iron hammer.. Then you will be meet with a mess like this. Don't stress out by what you find. It will be ugly. Next we will walk through the rest. Soccer starts in 6 minutes. Got to go. Barry

FetchMeAPepsi April 20th, 2014 01:22 AM

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Thanks Barry! I think I understand how the spindle nut socket goes on now, but I can't find one locally. They kept telling me that it was 2 3/8" and that wouldn't even go in the hole. I'll be looking online tonight to get one ordered. :thumbsup:


I did find that snap ring (and now I know what a snap ring is :teehee: ).

Looking inside the hub I saw this after I ran a rag around it.



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I did a quick look for "Snap ring pliers" and guess what? I already had a pair! They're my pointy pliers that I used on the transmission bits. :giggity:
Small favors, right? Well they're pretty small so they really didn't open the ring up very much, but I was able to get it off.



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I wouldn't be able to get it back on with this teeny tiny set of pokey pliers though so I hopped on Amazon and ordered this:



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. Now I should be all set!


I stuck it in my Pile-O-Parts for safekeeping




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FetchMeAPepsi April 20th, 2014 01:38 AM

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Next I pulled and pushed on the hub thinking it should move at least a little. My book says "remove the drive gear next" but nothing was budging. So I was like, FINE, let's tap you with a HAMMER a little and see what pops loose!



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And this happened:



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Not exactly what I wanted, but hey it's progress!:diggingahole:
If you didn't know already, this piece is not connected to the hub. It just slides on over it and the bolts that hold the wheel!

So that came off and I'm looking at the brakes. The little rubber bits that hold the juice in looked really good. I'm guessing they've been replaced recently.



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At this point I figured the socket thingy, which is called both a "Spindle Socket" and a "Slide Wrench", is what I needed. I went to O'Reilleys and the guy there really put some time into trying to find me the right one, like 20 mins - really. But he sent me home with that 2 3/8" one I mentioned before. It didn't fit.



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I got it returned and decided I'd look for one online tonight. If anyone knows exactly the right size I'd be happy to borrow that info from ya! :tiphat:

FetchMeAPepsi April 20th, 2014 01:55 AM

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It was here that things got a little un-focused. :runforthehills:

I couldn't go into the hub anymore. I was stuck. I turned my attention to the dirt clod that should have looked like a front axle. I grabbed my scaler again and BZZZT! Off came the layers



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Then the neighbors came out to do some early Easter stuff so I put it away. Can't get them all ticked off at me.

I moved to an oil change. I had the filter pre-ordered last year and I had 2 5 gallon containers of Rotella. Why not, right? I washed out my oil pan and put it under Cecilia.



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She has a HUGE drain plug. It's 1 1/8 inches! I needed one of the special sockets I bought for rear end castle nuts to get it loose.



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The drain plug was dripping before I even touched it. I got it out. Oil gushed everywhere. Be sure your pan is in the right place and that it holds a LOT. There's a little metal um...scarf? on the oil plug that I guess keeps it from leaking. Mine didn't work, but it looked OK.



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To help it behave like it should I put some of this grey silicon (for high torque areas like rear end gaskets etc) on the metal scarf.



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Then I let it dry a bit so it wouldn't make it stick to the oil pan too. By the time I finished the oil had quit falling out so I stuck a shop towel in it to keep it plugged.



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Then I started taking off the oil filter. It takes a 5/8 inch wrench and the bolt you're turning is spring loaded so as you take it off it'll pull away from the big metal housing, until it POPs the housing back to the nut with a BANG! If you're not ready it'll scare the dickens out of you!

NOTICE: You need to empty your oil-filled pan now because more oil is coming out of the filter and it'll overflow your pan.

By the way, this pic also shows that brain eating Road Draft Tube in the foreground. It's sharp and any time you're under there it'll try to bite you in the face. It also shows my busted exhaust pipe on the right. I just discovered today that it's cracked at the joint too :(



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FetchMeAPepsi April 20th, 2014 02:41 AM

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I moved the oil pan under the filter and finished taking it off. It fell in with a plop. According to this picture gravity reversed itself at that moment and it fell up instead of down. Thanks Gravity! :thumbsup:



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Lift up the metal housing and the filter itself will fall right out.



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And here's where things get funny again. :takethat: RockAuto sent me this filter for my baby.



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Do you notice anything different?



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:pullinghairout::pullinghairout::pullinghairout:

The new filter is like 3 inches longer than mine. ARRGH! Guess what isn't in stock anywhere around here? That's right! My filter! For reference, the filter that fits is a CarQuest part number 85121. It'll be here Monday. :buttkick:



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FuelOilAir.com says Fram part number CH106PL is also a compatible part if you can't find CarQuest.



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So there's two part numbers that work. Both nowhere in driving distance of me. :( I'm completely stuck until Monday on both projects. Is the world trying to tell me something?

I turned my attention to the oil filter housing. It got a good soap and water cleaning, then a good hand cleaner (fast orange) scrubbing because Dawn didn't cut this oil. Next it got a wire wheeling.



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Then we (The powder puff came home from her track meet here) moved it to the Painting Stump.



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A nice coat of primer



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Then a good glossy coat of heat resistant black paint. Good as new!



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I debated putting Herculiner on it to keep it safe under the truck but it was originally black gloss so I wanted to stay true to the original color and texture. Plus I didnt want to have the herculiner get all over the nut/seal and make it leak.

That's it till Monday when I'll have a filter to put in it. Then I'll get back on the wheel as soon as the socket gets here. :thumbsup:

BarryGMC April 20th, 2014 03:04 AM

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Fetch you still did not get the outer snap ring. If you look at the pic with the tape measure and look at the wheel hub. You will see a step in from the widest outside part of the hub. The part the wheel slides on. That flat part just inside is a snap ring. You need to find the spot where it is split and work a screwdriver between it and the hub. Then pop it out. Then the outer locking hub assembly will come out and your spindle nut socket will fit in. I wish I had one to show you. I keep thinking of the line from O Brother where art though. I don't want any bleepedy bleep FOP I am a dapper dan man. I don't want no bleepedy bleep 1/2 ton stuff I am a 3/4 ton man. Barry. Next I will explain my earlier pics.

FetchMeAPepsi April 20th, 2014 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BarryGMC (Post 53018)
Fetch you still did not get the outer snap ring. If you look at the pic with the tape measure and look at the wheel hub. You will see a step in from the widest outside part of the hub. The part the wheel slides on. That flat part just inside is a snap ring. You need to find the spot where it is split and work a screwdriver between it and the hub. Then pop it out. Then the outer locking hub assembly will come out and your spindle nut socket will fit in. I wish I had one to show you. I keep thinking of the line from O Brother where art though. I don't want any bleepedy bleep FOP I am a dapper dan man. I don't want no bleepedy bleep 1/2 ton stuff I am a 3/4 ton man. Barry. Next I will explain my earlier pics.


Dang it! I was so proud of myself for finding the little booger inside :lolsmack2:

So it's in here somewhere?



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BarryGMC April 20th, 2014 03:16 AM

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Fetch it's killing me I can see the outer ring in at least 5 or 6 pics. In the pic with the socket it's the stepped in part just inside the widest part of your wheel hub. You are holding the socket up to the outer part of the locking hub. It comes out. Barry.

BarryGMC April 20th, 2014 03:18 AM

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Crap I wish I was better with a computer. That first stepped in part from the widest part. In a little and out a little.

BarryGMC April 20th, 2014 03:54 AM

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Here is a pic of a bolt on flange selectro hub. If you look at the tip of the knife you will see a bolt on flange. On your hub at this point it goes into your wheel hub. It is splined. Right there is the outer snap ring on your hub. Basically at the tip of the knife. Barry

aphaynes April 21st, 2014 02:36 PM

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Too funny on the oil filter. Same thing happened to me. The one I got was the same oversized Fram filter you showed in your pics.

After some research it turns out there are 1 quart and 2 quart oil filters available.

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We obviously needed the 1 quart. I could not find the Carquest number of the filter that was in mine, but found it's look alike with the Wix 51123. When it arrived, it was a match...except the oring that came with it did not fit the canister housing mine was in...which was leaking from not having one at all. :jaw-dropping:

Since I already had a roll of gasket material I used to make a gasket for the distributor, which was also missing its gasket, I quickly made one for the oil filter housing. So far, no leaks.

Hantke April 23rd, 2014 06:23 AM

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Great work! every time i come back and read through every bodies builds it makes me even more bummed out that i don't have one of my own!!! Especially since the guy down the road has a 64/65 K1500 (Yep, 4wd!) that he's been parking in his front yard. I think he is taunting me! Thanks again for the info!

FetchMeAPepsi April 23rd, 2014 02:49 PM

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Here is a pic of a bolt on flange selectro hub. If you look at the tip of the knife you will see a bolt on flange. On your hub at this point it goes into your wheel hub. It is splined. Right there is the outer snap ring on your hub. Basically at the tip of the knife. Barry

I'll have a minute today to take another look. Hopefully I'll get it right this time :)
When can you make it over here? :poke:

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Too funny on the oil filter. Same thing happened to me. The one I got was the same oversized Fram filter you showed in your pics.

After some research it turns out there are 1 quart and 2 quart oil filters available.

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We obviously needed the 1 quart. I could not find the Carquest number of the filter that was in mine, but found it's look alike with the Wix 51123. When it arrived, it was a match...except the oring that came with it did not fit the canister housing mine was in...which was leaking from not having one at all. :jaw-dropping:

Since I already had a roll of gasket material I used to make a gasket for the distributor, which was also missing its gasket, I quickly made one for the oil filter housing. So far, no leaks.

Thanks Aphaynes! That's good info. I passed all the parts numbers on to Rock Auto to help them update their choices.

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Great work! every time i come back and read through every bodies builds it makes me even more bummed out that i don't have one of my own!!! Especially since the guy down the road has a 64/65 K1500 (Yep, 4wd!) that he's been parking in his front yard. I think he is taunting me! Thanks again for the info!



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4WD is an amazing bonus. I got it because I could drive offroad if necessary (or for a little fun with the kiddos) but I found that sometimes the back tires just don't pull. They spin.
No problem, just shift into 4wd and RAAWRRRR! The torque is scary!
Cecilia will change the earth's rotation if I don't get off the gas pretty quick!
:ahhhh:


Have you talked to the guy to see if he'll sell?

Hantke April 23rd, 2014 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by FetchMeAPepsi (Post 53078)
I'll have a minute today to take another look. Hopefully I'll get it right this time :)
When can you make it over here? :poke:



Thanks Aphaynes! That's good info. I passed all the parts numbers on to Rock Auto to help them update their choices.





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4WD is an amazing bonus. I got it because I could drive offroad if necessary (or for a little fun with the kiddos) but I found that sometimes the back tires just don't pull. They spin.
No problem, just shift into 4wd and RAAWRRRR! The torque is scary!
Cecilia will change the earth's rotation if I don't get off the gas pretty quick!
:ahhhh:


Have you talked to the guy to see if he'll sell?

He might sell, but since school picked up again i'm nice and broke, but as soon as i have some cash put together i'll give it a go. I think it has original 305 V6 in it to! never got close enough to verify because i'm not that big of a snoop.

FetchMeAPepsi April 23rd, 2014 08:49 PM

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He might sell, but since school picked up again i'm nice and broke, but as soon as i have some cash put together i'll give it a go. I think it has original 305 V6 in it to! never got close enough to verify because i'm not that big of a snoop.

Curse you, school! That and work can really rain on a hobby :takethat:
Good luck with the hunt and hang in there!



Barry, I peeked at it again today and there's no ring where the knifepoint was. There's a rubber o ring toward the front, but nothing back there.



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There's a knobby thing on the back of it though, but when I cleaned it off it looks like just a knob. Not a bolt or anything



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I also found a great looking breakdown but it just says to use the bolts that come on the truck :saywhat:



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BarryGMC April 23rd, 2014 11:27 PM

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Take your finger and go towards the part where the hub cover goes. The first step in between the long cylindrical part and the part the hub cover turns on right between the 2 is the snap ring.

BarryGMC April 24th, 2014 12:05 AM

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I wiil be brief. Its hard to type on the phone. This is. Little different than yours but the snap ring is in the same spit

FetchMeAPepsi April 24th, 2014 12:53 AM

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I wiil be brief. Its hard to type on the phone. This is. Little different than yours but the snap ring is in the same spit

NOW I think I got it! its not the same kind of snap ring, it's a spring looking thing on the outside of the axle gear that the first ring was on. And it's inside the hub.

If I were any dumber I'd be buying magic beans. Thanks Barry!



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Foley April 24th, 2014 04:46 AM

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I got it returned and decided I'd look for one online tonight. If anyone knows exactly the right size I'd be happy to borrow that info from ya! :tiphat:[/QUOTE]

I dug around in the bottom of my rollaway and came up with a spindle socket that used on (I Think) the Selectro hubs of my old flat fender jeeps back in the 70's. It is six sided, ID of 2 and 3/16s, OD of 2 and 1/2, and it is 2 and 3/4 " long cause it has to go inside the hub a bit. I'll try to do that picture thing Fetch so you can see it. It's been a long time, but I'm pretty sure I bought it specifically just to work on front hubs. Problem is I can't remember if it was the Warn hubs or the Selectro hubs. Foley

Foley April 24th, 2014 05:26 AM

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Sorry bout the fuzziness and the John Deere racing stripe. I think that came in the 90's when I quit playing with old jeeps and went into antique tractors. If this will work for you Mr. Fetch, PM me a mailing address and it'll be on its way tomorrow. Foley

Rockdriller April 24th, 2014 05:15 PM

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Next I pulled and pushed on the hub thinking it should move at least a little. My book says "remove the drive gear next" but nothing was budging. So I was like, FINE, let's tap you with a HAMMER a little and see what pops loose!



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And this happened:



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Not exactly what I wanted, but hey it's progress!:diggingahole:
If you didn't know already, this piece is not connected to the hub. It just slides on over it and the bolts that hold the wheel!

So that came off and I'm looking at the brakes. The little rubber bits that hold the juice in looked really good. I'm guessing they've been replaced recently.



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At this point I figured the socket thingy, which is called both a "Spindle Socket" and a "Slide Wrench", is what I needed. I went to O'Reilleys and the guy there really put some time into trying to find me the right one, like 20 mins - really. But he sent me home with that 2 3/8" one I mentioned before. It didn't fit.



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I got it returned and decided I'd look for one online tonight. If anyone knows exactly the right size I'd be happy to borrow that info from ya! :tiphat:

Dude....I love it when you chronicle your mechanical woes for all to behold.
First problem....your hands are uncharacteristically clean....for the project yer working on...
The pic that I copied shows the snap-ring to be removed pretty clearly. Just inside of the end of your hub is a "inside" style snap-ring. Find the break in that surface and use a O-ring pick (nose-picker) to pry that thing loose.....pop it out of there..make sure the snap-ring is off of the end of the axle (outside snap-ring)...and the whole hub assembly will be free to slide out. It may hang up a little while sliding by where the snap ring used to be but it will come out with some patience....and maybe some PB blaster to soften things up a bit.

Oops on the second picture .....Interesting.... but not instrumental for successful hub removal.

FetchMeAPepsi April 25th, 2014 07:04 PM

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I got it returned and decided I'd look for one online tonight. If anyone knows exactly the right size I'd be happy to borrow that info from ya! :tiphat:

I dug around in the bottom of my rollaway and came up with a spindle socket that used on (I Think) the Selectro hubs of my old flat fender jeeps back in the 70's. It is six sided, ID of 2 and 3/16s, OD of 2 and 1/2, and it is 2 and 3/4 " long cause it has to go inside the hub a bit. I'll try to do that picture thing Fetch so you can see it. It's been a long time, but I'm pretty sure I bought it specifically just to work on front hubs. Problem is I can't remember if it was the Warn hubs or the Selectro hubs. Foley

Thanks Foley! Let me see what the measurements are like when I get into this kryptonite castle of a hub and I'll get back with ya. :cheers:

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Dude....I love it when you chronicle your mechanical woes for all to behold.

What do you mean? I've got mad mekannik skillz! :lolsmack2:
Really I hope anyone else having the same trouble won't have to make the same mistakes if they see mine. Kinda like a "what not to do". Some of this stuff is definitely not...I cant think of the word, but it doesn't readily come to mind what you should do to get the things apart, even when looking at a diagram. Like, why not just put some bolts into it to hold it so you can take it apart easy? Well, I'm learnin. I'll get there!


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First problem....your hands are uncharacteristically clean....for the project yer working on...
The pic that I copied shows the snap-ring to be removed pretty clearly. Just inside of the end of your hub is a "inside" style snap-ring. Find the break in that surface and use a O-ring pick (nose-picker) to pry that thing loose.....pop it out of there..make sure the snap-ring is off of the end of the axle (outside snap-ring)...and the whole hub assembly will be free to slide out. It may hang up a little while sliding by where the snap ring used to be but it will come out with some patience....and maybe some PB blaster to soften things up a bit.

Oops on the second picture .....Interesting.... but not instrumental for successful hub removal.

You busted me. I make the Powder puff do all the work then I sidewalk supervise and take the pictures :cheers: I'll try again tonight if I can get free. I happen to have a booger picker too that the PO of my house left here in the yard. :woo:

And...is that a kid coloring a DOG in that last pic?!? :rofl:


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