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Old November 19th, 2020, 04:43 PM
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Default Fuel Gauge Pegs when ignition ON

Hello guys. I took out my dash cluster to install new bulbs and now, when reinstalled, the fuel gauge doesn't work right. It jumps to FULL when the ignition is on.. Nothing when on Acc. Took it out.. checked that the connections were good.. It was working before, though not real accurate, but at least I knew when it was getting low... I had about a quarter tank before this.. Everything went back together fine.. Scratching my head here.. Some have said it's probably a bad ground now somehow? If I were to run a better ground, where would I attach to on this circuit board? Or should I go to one of the terminals on the gauge? If so, which one?
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Old November 19th, 2020, 07:40 PM
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Old November 20th, 2020, 02:57 AM
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Thank You Ken.. I am posting the text below because so many of these links go stale in the archives..

Fuel Gauge Testing
By Stephen Kassis

The fuel gauge is one of the most important gauges in the instrument panel. It is simple in both function and operation. When it is not operating properly, it seems to be a big mystery - but it's not. Test the basic parts of the circuit and you can easily identify the problem. One caution: prior to 1955, most GM cars & trucks used 6 volt systems. If your vehicle has been changed to 12 volts from 6 volts, you must not hook up the fuel gauge directly to 12 volt power. It is a very sensitive gauge and the windings will be damaged by 12 volts. Use a special fuel gauge resistor to protect the original 6 volt fuel gauge that will be running in a 12 volt system.

All GM fuel gauges from the early 1930's to the 1960's operate on a 30 ohm scale. At zero ohms from the sending unit, the dash gauge should read Empty; at 30 ohms it should read Full. It is vital that the sending unit is matched to the dash gauge. If you are using an aftermarket fuel gauge in the dash, you must have a sending unit that has a matched ohm rating or it will not function properly. The sending unit is merely completing the circuit for the dash gauge by grounding it to the chassis. Just like a light bulb must have a ground to operate, the fuel gauge must also be grounded to operate. As the float arm is raised, the resistance is increased, until (at the top) the resistance should be 30 ohms (Full). At the bottom, resistance is zero (or completely grounded) and should indicate Empty on the dash gauge.

TESTING
If your gauge reads FULL AT ALL TIMES:

A. Probable Causes

Wire from dash gauge to sending unit is broken and/or the connection is corroded (not making a good electrical connection).

Resistance wire inside sending unit is broken

Sending unit is not properly grounded to tank or tank is not properly grounded to chassis
B. Testing

Remove the wire from the contact stud on the sending unit and ground it to the chassis. If the gauge now reads Empty, the trouble is either poor grounding of the sender or a bad sending unit.

If the gauge still reads Full, touch a grounded test wire to the sending unit terminal on the back of the dash gauge. This terminal is often marked with a red tag. If the gauge now reads Empty, the wire from the dash to the sending unit is broken or the connection to the dash gauge is corroded.

With the sender removed from the tank, connect an ohm meter to the sending unit (one lead to the contact stud and one to the housing) and check the resistance of the sender as you manually raise and lower the arm. This reading should be 0 to 30 ohms (or very close).

If none of these tests finds the problem, the dash gauge is the problem and should be rebuilt or replaced.
C. Repairs

Make sure that a good ground is present at the dash gauge and also at the sending unit. Run a separate ground wire to the chassis if necessary.

Sliding contact arm may not make good contact to the resistance wire windings in sender. If you are experienced with electrical repairs you may be able to clean the wiper and resistance wire coil or replace the wire. Otherwise send the unit to a specialist or replace the unit.

Check for good ground at sender body and gas tank.


If gauge reads EMPTY AT ALL TIMES:

A. Probable Causes

Wire from sender to dash gauge is shorted to ground.

Sending unit is shorted internally

Float in sender is defective

Testing

Disconnect wire from sending unit at tank. If gauge now reads Full, the trouble is in the sending unit.

Disconnect sender terminal wire at dash gauge. If gauge now reads Full, the wire to the sending unit is shorted to ground. Replace wire.

Repairs

Look for broken or loose wire in the fuel gauge circuit and within the sending unit.
Note that many GM dash gauges are interchangeable by exchanging the face of the gauge to retain the original appearance. Also, many GM sending units will interchange by modifying the float arm. Original sending units can often be repaired. Check to make sure that the proper 6 or 12 volt power is present at the ignition side of the dash gauge. If changing from 6 volt to 12 volt, be sure to install a special fuel gauge resistor inline before hooking up to 12 volts. Make sure to have a good ground at the sending unit, fuel tank and also the dash gauge.
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Default Re: Fuel Gauge Pegs when ignition ON

Just my guess since you had the cluster out for bulbs change.

The connector plug into the back of the cluster. If you had this disconnected you might had disturb the pin to the print circuit board (PCB). Look at the pins (with the plug off) and see if any of them wiggle. If you do have a loose one it can be solder back on. If you don't know how to solder maybe you could bring the truck to me, I live down the road from you in Greer, SC. PM me if your interested. Even if it not the pin I can find the problem.
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Default Re: Fuel Gauge Pegs when ignition ON

Thank You Jim. I will check that.. Do you know what color wire provides the ground to the cluster and/or to the gauge? Blinker indicator and high beam indicator work as well as dash lights.. I was suspicious of a possible bad connection there so I sprayed WD 40 in the connector then tapped out the excess hoping it might help.. The possible break at the pin makes sense since everything worked fine up to that point .
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Default Re: Fuel Gauge Pegs when ignition ON

I don't have a 1966 manual, but I do have a 1965 manual and it show a brown wire going to the connector on pin D. Pin E (pink wire) supply power to the Fuel Gauge from the ignition switch.
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Default Re: Fuel Gauge Pegs when ignition ON

IIRC Pink and brown are right. The pins can get wiggly when you pull the plug out, especially since they're old already. The brown one might look black and the pink one might look faded red or even a chalky white.

Here's where I went through my gauge wiring. I didn't have colors in it though.
https://6066gmcclub.com/showthread.p...auge#post70808

Jollys fuel gauge troubleshooting
http://6066gmcguy.com/Electrical-02.html
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