1962 GMC 305V6 4WD Slow DD Build - Cecilia (Pic Heavy)

[Foley]

Very nice (and stout) fence there Fetch. Like you said once before, a guy should always have a place to lean a wheel or a ladder against. But in looking at your to-do list, did I miss something in the rebuild thread or....what happened with the knock in Cecilia's motor?

Foley,
Near the Rubicon

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Oh it's still there Foley, you didn't miss anything. :)
I didn't add it because I wasn't planning on spending any massive time on it other than looking at the piston connectors to see if they're loose. If they are, I'd work on fixing that.

But if they aren't and it's something way more serious like pistons that wobble in the cylinder I planned to just drive it as it is until she quits then I can put the spare 305 in.

I know I can't buy pistons or rebuild parts so putting a lot of time into a blown engine isn't going to happen, though I'd like the experience.

Hey, are any of you guys noticing that after turning wrenches for a while your fingers get fat? Maybe it's just me, but my wedding ring doesn't really fit anymore. Maybe it's wrenching, maybe it's doughnuts. :lolsmack2:

[Andice]

Doughnuts. Wrenching makes them dirty and achey.

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Doughnuts. Wrenching makes them dirty and achey.

I was afraid of that. Guess I'm going to live on blubber this winter!

BTW you guys in the south hold on to your hats. The weather's 45 degrees with a 30 mph wind and it's heading your way! Sure glad I made me a log-dog to split some wood!

I'd have s'mores tonight, but Andice says I'm too fat so I guess I'm just threading sticks for the babies.

Look at me from the side, do I look fat to you?

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See you guys in spring!


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[BarryGMC]

Sausage fingers. That's what my kids call my hands. Cold? I am always happy for winter. Truck stuff gets done. Going after the last load of wood on veterans day. Should be about 15 when I get up on kalispel peak. Here was a week ago. Its about 29 at 4800 feet. Q is a little cold. I was in a tee shirt. The 65 is earning its keep.

[6066gmcguy]

Winter has started here in Northern Utah too. not much of the white stuff but its getting Cool here, near zero once already.

[GMCDAC]

We've had over a foot of snow in less than a week and constant wind. High temps have been about 5-15 above. Getting old fast. Hope for some relief soon. Too cold to take pics of the snow piled on the '55 GMC. Maybe tomorrow.

DAC

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Sausage fingers. That's what my kids call my hands. Cold? I am always happy for winter. Truck stuff gets done. Going after the last load of wood on veterans day. Should be about 15 when I get up on kalispel peak. Here was a week ago. Its about 29 at 4800 feet. Q is a little cold. I was in a tee shirt. The 65 is earning its keep.

What the heck Barry? I leave for a week and you go and get banned. Who's going to help me when I ask stupid questions because I don't know what I'm doing? Hmm? :insane:

I suddenly feel overwhelmed with my project....

Winter has started here in Northern Utah too. not much of the white stuff but its getting Cool here, near zero once already.

Whoah now that's really cold! :winter: I love that area of the country but I'd never make it through the winter.

We've had over a foot of snow in less than a week and constant wind. High temps have been about 5-15 above. Getting old fast. Hope for some relief soon. Too cold to take pics of the snow piled on the '55 GMC. Maybe tomorrow.

DAC

The powder puff says bundle some up and send it her way, Dac LOL

Its 9 degrees today and the only thing that keeps me moving around is the thought that it'll kill off the bugs for spring. I hope so!

Oh, and we had some birthdays so we ran out real quick and took our birthday pics. No step to step on right now so the Powder puff is on the ground but at least we got it before the temps got too low to stand outside


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For reference this was when we picked Cecilia up....

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She's growin so much!

[Hantke]

What?? Banned?? Well dang it Barry.
Looks like your still chugging along! That's nice to see after so many people seem to be giving up on their projects!


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[aphaynes]

Banned? I knew I had not heard from him in a while on here, but did not know he was banned. How did that happen? That's a shame. :(

[FetchMeAPepsi]

What?? Banned?? Well dang it Barry.
Looks like your still chugging along! That's nice to see after so many people seem to be giving up on their projects!


I may never finish, but I won't give up :)
Like Coyote says, "I'll fix it myself and pay the extra $500" :lolsmack2:

Banned? I knew I had not heard from him in a while on here, but did not know he was banned. How did that happen? That's a shame. :(

He got in a fight with some other member and went too far is what I heard.

[Hantke]

That sucks


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[bigblockv6]

Yeah I was the one he got in the confrontation with. He got what he deserved!!

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Yeah I was the one he got in the confrontation with. He got what he deserved!!

Yeah I didn't think Jeannie would hammer someone unless it went way too far. She's rapped me on the knuckles from time to time but it's always just a friendly reminder to follow the rules and maybe deleting one of my um....more excitable posts. :D

I had to go back and look at them but it says this
I want each and every one of you to know that we will never ban a member outright without several warnings.

So I guess he got read bad real fast. Jeannie seems pretty patient putting up with stuff (and thank you for that if you're reading this!).

:yourock:


Glad you're still here BB. I'm going to need all the help I can get if my engine is bad and I hope you'll peek in from time to time and lay down the knowledge. :thumbsup:

[bigblockv6]

Well BarryGMC had slandered me three posts consecutively so doing more than once was beyond way to far!

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Well BarryGMC had slandered me three posts consecutively so doing more than once was beyond way to far!

I wasn't here but I trust Jeannie's judgement. Like I said though Im glad you're still here, and DAC, GMCGUY, WDShaffer, Groby, Jolly, Ed, and Culver, and all the other guys that have real wrench turning experience. There's a lot of info here on the forum but nothing beats experience.

Without you guys I'd never have got my truck running much less get it into regular use. And restoration? Fuggeddaboudit!

:thanks:


On the downside, my newly painted wheels are rusting in pinholes. :(
Spraypaint was such a bad idea there after all that prepwork.

[bigblockv6]

The problem with spray can paint is it's heavily watered down with solvents in order for it to be sprayable from a can, in no time at all it fades and loses it's durability from exposure to sun light.

[Andice]

Well, if Barry got what he deserved then why do I feel punished? I miss his input and have lost most of my interest in visiting this forum since his departure. The post by Jeannie indicated a ten day ban. That was a month ago.

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Well, if Barry got what he deserved then why do I feel punished? I miss his input and have lost most of my interest in visiting this forum since his departure. The post by Jeannie indicated a ten day ban. That was a month ago.

I got a lot of info from him too. He was always willing to help and I wouldn't have got the front end rebuilt without him. I'll miss his input and his wisdom but I can't stop just because he isn't here anymore. The build must go on!
I like to think he'd appreciate that.

The problem with spray can paint is it's heavily watered down with solvents in order for it to be sprayable from a can, in no time at all it fades and loses it's durability from exposure to sun light.

Well dang it. I KNEW spraypainting was a bad idea. Ugh.

I invested in a few small cans of por-15 this winter to try again. I'm going to use a brush with it. I hate having to media blast it all over again though. Do you know if it's OK to paint the inside under where the tire goes too? I didn't last time but I might this time to fend off any rust monsters.

[bigblockv6]

It would be a good idea to under where the tire goes, I highly suggest you invest in a small air compressor and paint gun to get the job done right, spray cans and brushes just don't do it right.

[GMCDAC]

I wasn't here but I trust Jeannie's judgement. Like I said though Im glad you're still here, and DAC, GMCGUY, WDShaffer, Groby, Jolly, Ed, and Culver, and all the other guys that have real wrench turning experience. There's a lot of info here on the forum but nothing beats experience.

Without you guys I'd never have got my truck running much less get it into regular use. And restoration? Fuggeddaboudit!

:thanks:


On the downside, my newly painted wheels are rusting in pinholes. :(
Spraypaint was such a bad idea there after all that prepwork.

Glad to see you posting again Fetch! Thanks for including me in that list of those guys, but I'm just here learning for the day when I get one of these great GMC's back in the family again!

I'm behind Jeannie's judgement here too. She had to slap me down once and I deserved it. I respected her stand, posted an apology and let it go before I was banned.

DAC

[FetchMeAPepsi]

It would be a good idea to under where the tire goes, I highly suggest you invest in a small air compressor and paint gun to get the job done right, spray cans and brushes just don't do it right.

Heh! You haven't read my build thread in a while BBV6!

Welcome to CompressorWorld!

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I got a paint gun from Eastwood too but I'm a little afraid to use it with por-15 since it dries as a permanent glassy rock and I have zero experience with it. Have you shot por-15 before?

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Glad to see you posting again Fetch! Thanks for including me in that list of those guys, but I'm just here learning for the day when I get one of these great GMC's back in the family again!

I'm behind Jeannie's judgement here too. She had to slap me down once and I deserved it. I respected her stand, posted an apology and let it go before I was banned.

DAC

You sell yourself short, buddy. You have some great skills and you've helped alot, sometimes when you don't know it (because I've searched old threads and scarfed your ideas muahahaha!)
I wouldn't think of leaving you out! :cheers:

[Hantke]

I got a lot of info from him too. He was always willing to help and I wouldn't have got the front end rebuilt without him. I'll miss his input and his wisdom but I can't stop just because he isn't here anymore. The build must go on!
I like to think he'd appreciate that.



Well dang it. I KNEW spraypainting was a bad idea. Ugh.

I invested in a few small cans of por-15 this winter to try again. I'm going to use a brush with it. I hate having to media blast it all over again though. Do you know if it's OK to paint the inside under where the tire goes too? I didn't last time but I might this time to fend off any rust monsters.

Just remember, POR-15 cannot be somewhere with direct sunlight contact, it doesn't last long in the light.

[bigblockv6]

I've used POR-15 in the past as well, after 3 months of exposure the gloss turn chalky flat, so yes it is affected by sun light. Also when using it, it is extremely important to clean your paint gun thoroughly because this stuff is like epoxy and it will literally glue the paint cup to the rest of the and you won't be able to take the gun apart. I have a can of it that I used just once and now the lid is glued shut.

[aphaynes]

POR-15 can be top coated though.

[GMCDAC]

You sell yourself short, buddy. You have some great skills and you've helped alot, sometimes when you don't know it (because I've searched old threads and scarfed your ideas muahahaha!)
I wouldn't think of leaving you out! :cheers:

If anything you read is useable, scarf all you want, and thanks again! I have learned from you too with all the various projects from wood splitters to your GMC, and the way you and the clan have fun with it all is something we all should try to do more!

I've used POR-15 in the past as well, after 3 months of exposure the gloss turn chalky flat, so yes it is affected by sun light. Also when using it, it is extremely important to clean your paint gun thoroughly because this stuff is like epoxy and it will literally glue the paint cup to the rest of the and you won't be able to take the gun apart. I have a can of it that I used just once and now the lid is glued shut.

Hi Bigblockv6, if that can of POR-15 still seems to be liquid inside and you want to use more, try punching (don't drill obviously) a round hole in it somewhere, to open it up and if there is still good paint left, get a screw the size you want and coat the threads with a little vaseline and screw it into the punched hole. You MAY be able to remove it as needed. Works on sign paint without any lube, and I understand POR is a different animal. I have done it with automotive paints and had good luck too. The possibility exists that if you can clean out the groove in the can pretty good and the lip on the lid and a little coat of ATF or vaseline will allow the lid to come off when needed. It is still an oil-base type of paint so a little oily residue will dissolve into it without adverse affect.

DAC

[bigblockv6]

Thanks for the advice I will probably cut the can open at the top and transfer it to another container. I can also tell you I've had 30 plus years in the Auto Body and Paint industry.

[GMCDAC]

Yeah you told me that once before too-- Sorry! Just trying to give some tips I've learned after 30+ years of sign painting.

DAC

[bigblockv6]

Just poked a hole in the POR-15 can and it's thicker than molasses, I may reduce it with some paint thinner but it's no big loss for half a can that's only 1/4 pint size. I've got some new stuff called "Zero Rust" that's supposed to be everything POR-15 is and more.

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Just remember, POR-15 cannot be somewhere with direct sunlight contact, it doesn't last long in the light.

I heard that. Good thinkin! I'll have to come up with a sun blocker of some kind for when she's parked.

I've used POR-15 in the past as well, after 3 months of exposure the gloss turn chalky flat, so yes it is affected by sun light. Also when using it, it is extremely important to clean your paint gun thoroughly because this stuff is like epoxy and it will literally glue the paint cup to the rest of the and you won't be able to take the gun apart. I have a can of it that I used just once and now the lid is glued shut.

lol, that's what I'm afraid of! I'll let you guys know when I mess it up. :lolsmack2:

POR-15 can be top coated though.

Yeah I want to have white wheels so I'll be painting over it (its black) as soon as I can.

[pilotguy1050]

Cecilia's going to be a daily driver one day so the first job on the table is making her more reliable. Right now she runs like a one legged duck on a whack-a-mole table. I started with a carb (carburetor) rebuild. I'm sure it's the wrong thing to do. Most of the things I choose to do are probably wrong. I've learned to live with it :D

this is the BEST thread EVER. Hats off to you for your writing style and never-ending fortitude in the face of eternal adversity. Great read.

Signed,
Those of us lost behind you, following your breadcrumb trail....

:thumbsup:

[FetchMeAPepsi]

this is the BEST thread EVER. Hats off to you for your writing style and never-ending fortitude in the face of eternal adversity. Great read.

Signed,
Those of us lost behind you, following your breadcrumb trail....

:thumbsup:

Thanks Pilotguy! :cheers:

I don't know if I'd go that far but I hope some of it is helpful even if it's all in the vein of "Hey ya'll, watch me mess this thing up next" :lolsmack:



:thumbsup:

I missed a great weekend of semi-thawed (60 degree) weather due to being sick. Both me and the Powder Puff were curled up on the couch watching movies. Good snuggle time, not so good workin' time. We're supposed to have similar weather next weekend though so I want to maybe pull Cecilia in the garage with a heater and see how much give those bearings have.

First (Thanks AZKen!) I'll be fiddling with the timing to see if she's off enough to cause predetonation and my mysterious knock. If that doesn't work out I think I can just drop the 'earl pan and wiggle the piston um...bottoms? by hand to see if they're loose enough to be the cause of my knocking.

For anyone that doesn't know what pistons are and how I'm going to be getting to them, engines have these big plunger looking things on top of a crooked stick. Oh, hey I got some terminology when I searched for a pic.

Here's a piston

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The connecting rod cap at the bottom should poke down into the oil pan if I read things right. So if I pull off the oil pan I can reach up in there and grab it to see if they wiggle. There should be six since this is a V6.

Anyway, that's the plan.

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[FetchMeAPepsi]

Just a quick update. Plan failed miserably. I pulled Cecilia around to the garage to work on her (with all the kids riding along, giddy with anticipation) and stepped into a garage full of water. Long story short I'll be posting a step by step in the Other Rides and Projects section on how to quickly lose $500 and change a 27 year old water heater :ahhhh:

Ron, I'm sorry ahead of time. Please don't hate me too bad :banghead:
All the posts from start to finish will be today so it won't string out very long.

On the upside, Cecilia was great at hauling the new one home. If I hadn't soldered her radiator I'd never have tried this project because like with most things I had no idea what I was doing.

:teehee:

Here's the instructions (destructions?)

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[FetchMeAPepsi]

I meant to get my plastigauge out today and check those bearings but the weather didn't cooperate. I only had a couple of hours of warm weather :(

So I piddled around instead. The neutral alignment I mentioned a few pages ago is still great but the transmission keeps jumping out of second gear and I can't figure out why. I thought I had the linkage messed up (too high, too low?) but after adjusting it all the way in both directions I didn't get anywhere. It still jumped out. So I tore out the hump to see if the tranny was switching all the way in both directions when I moved it.

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Here's the linkage I was watching. It was working fine. :(
I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to pull the transmission out again and get my hands dirty figuring out why 2nd gear is wonky. :banghead:

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While I was in there I went ahead and adjusted the 4x4 shift knob so it didn't require me to bottom it out against the floor to be in 2 wheel drive.

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You just have to stick a big ol' fat screwdriver in the holes and twist it around and it'll lengthen or shorten as you need. I ran mine out about 1/4 inch.

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After that was done I drilled some holes to put screws in the rubber boot to hold it down. It wasn't too tough at all.

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It turned out pretty good and should keep those nasty exhaust fumes from clouding up my mind. I keep driving in the same circle and wondering why everything looks new to me. :teehee:

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And that was it before the cold crept back in and got me. I'm sick of winter.

[turbobill]

Kansas doesn't have "winter" lol. You want to see a real winter, journey to the northeast. Specifically the Lake Ontario snow belt.

About 8 to 10 feet in the last 4 weeks and the temperature yesterday was a balmy 9 degrees with freezing drizzle and snow. Haven't seen the sun in over a week (snows every day). I plowed 3 times last week. (I really hate winter)

Count your blessings!

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Kansas doesn't have "winter" lol. You want to see a real winter, journey to the northeast. Specifically the Lake Ontario snow belt.

About 8 to 10 feet in the last 4 weeks and the temperature yesterday was a balmy 9 degrees with freezing drizzle and snow. Haven't seen the sun in over a week (snows every day). I plowed 3 times last week. (I really hate winter)

Count your blessings!

I'd never survive that, :lol:


I'll take 100 degrees over 50 degrees any day. :winter:

[Ed Snyder]

You want to see a real winter, journey to the northeast. Specifically the Lake Ontario snow belt.

About 8 to 10 feet in the last 4 weeks and the temperature yesterday was a balmy 9 degrees with freezing drizzle and snow. Haven't seen the sun in over a week (snows every day). I plowed 3 times last week. (I really hate winter)

Count your blessings!

I've got relatives in the Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse areas. I pity you all! We've got global warming going on out here. I haven't even had to put my studded tires on yet -- never had that happen before. We've been having overnight lows in the 40s (occasionally high 30s) and daytime highs in the 50s and even low 60s. Seems like we're going right from fall to spring. Some trees are starting to bud out, and I just saw manzanitas starting to flower yesterday.

[FetchMeAPepsi]

I've got relatives in the Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse areas. I pity you all! We've got global warming going on out here. I haven't even had to put my studded tires on yet -- never had that happen before. We've been having overnight lows in the 40s (occasionally high 30s) and daytime highs in the 50s and even low 60s. Seems like we're going right from fall to spring. Some trees are starting to bud out, and I just saw manzanitas starting to flower yesterday.

OMG the weather has been AWESOME LATELY!!! :crazyyippee:


I'm sorry for the delay guys. I had a plan setup for this spring-summer but The Redhead got a new truck to drive off to college (and leave me, boo hoo!) and I've been learning all about diesels. I've got a little more to do on her truck and then I have to finish that stupid fence before The Blonde leaves me (like, DIVORCE!) then I'll be back 100%.

I haven't even gotten to fire Cecilia up in months. My heart is aching over it, but you make sacrifices when you have a family I guess. They're supposed to make it worth it in the long run, right? LOL!

Anyway, I just wanted to say I'm still alive and still sticking with my build. You guys take care and I'll see you when I get done rat-killin!

:yourock:

[Cayoterun]

Fetch: The Blond, Redhead, and family come first. Cecelia will wait, and don't swing a rolling pin as hard either.
Glad you chimed in and still kickin'.

[aphaynes]

Fetch, good to hear from you! I was just thinking yesterday, where did Fetch disappear to? :lol:

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Another update! The good news: I think I'm about done with The Redhead's truck.
The bad news?

I still have to finish the fence, build a dadgum storage shed (Lowes, $500) and then it's time for back to school. I may be out of $$$ by the time I can finally tinker with her. I try not to think about it too much until I can put hands on her again. Makes me sad.

[aphaynes]

Hang in there! :thumbsup: Good to hear from ya!

[GMCDAC]

Glad to see yer still with us, Fetch! Don't seem like enough hours in a day to work on GMC's here either.

DAC

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Hang in there! :thumbsup: Good to hear from ya!

Glad to see yer still with us, Fetch! Don't seem like enough hours in a day to work on GMC's here either.

DAC


THanks guys! I miss hanging out with you guys and Cecilia all the time. This was my online home forever.


This weekend the three of us spent a little one on one on one time together pulling fence posts and hauling wood with Cecilia and the Powder Puff.

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We'll be working on the fence and shed the next few weekends as $$$ allows. I'll be glad when I get rich and famous and don't have to worry about money anymore. :thumbsup:

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Well this weekend something scary happened. We were driving home with a bunch of 2x4s and 4x6's for the fence and Cecilia just STOPPED on us. We were a half mile from home and she just sputtered and quit.

"Oh Cecilia, you're breaking my heart..."



I pulled her off the main road and checked the battery connections. "Suck, Spark, and Blow are what trucks need," I heard in my head. The battery connections are good. I pulled off the breather and had Powder Puff push the gas pedal. An anemic amount of gas poured into the carb.

That pointed me to the gas side of things. I had just put about 2 gallons in her before driving the past 10 miles and the gauge registered 1/8 of a tank. I didn't think she was empty, but a friendly passer-by offered his lawn mower can so I dumped it in. Still no dice.

So I pulled off the line to the carb from the filter and tried to crank it. Here's what I saw.



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Notice the profound lack of gasoline squirting everywhere. Next I pulled the filter off and tried it with that. Nope, still nothing. So I left Cecilia on the side of the road and ran to O'Reillys to get a new fuel pump. It's 180 miles away. It'll be here on Monday.

The Redhead has been driving consistently all summer and she happened to be in town with the F250 "Cocoon" her daddy got her for her first car. So with a lot of instruction I used a 25 ft strap and 5 ft of chain to tie Cecilia to the F250 and we tore off home at a blistering 15 MPH.

Surprisingly, The Redhead did a great job towing, only popping my neck about 4 times through the whole trip. She drove, I rode and steered in Cecilia. I wish I had gotten a pic, but I was too worked up and it was 90000 degrees so I didn't think about it. I just knew she'd pull me into a car or a tree.

Anyway, all went well and Cecilia is parked, waiting on a new fuel pump. I'll go through that step by step too when the time comes :)

I sure missed turning her wrenches, but I wasn't ready to get back on it just yet!

More soon....

[TJ's GMC]

Glad everyone got home safely and it was a simple problem. :thumbsup:

[Foley]

Glad your still around Fetch. I could name 3 or 4 other guys (including me) who have been pretty darn quiet this summer cause life does get in the way sumtimez. But it tickles me to know that those 2x4's and 4x4's did make it home and so the fence building project goes on. Cause like you told me once,,,,A guy really does need a good strong back yard fence to lean wheels and shovels and hoes and empty wading pools on.

In other news......I drove thru Kansas again this past June headin' over to Mizzura. I kept looking around for you and even asked at a few truck stops if anybody knew of you. No luck.

Foley
Greenwood, CA

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Glad everyone got home safely and it was a simple problem. :thumbsup:

Thanks TJ! It was a nervous start with such an inexperienced tow operator but it turned out A-OK :thumbsup:

Glad your still around Fetch. I could name 3 or 4 other guys (including me) who have been pretty darn quiet this summer cause life does get in the way sumtimez. But it tickles me to know that those 2x4's and 4x4's did make it home and so the fence building project goes on. Cause like you told me once,,,,A guy really does need a good strong back yard fence to lean wheels and shovels and hoes and empty wading pools on.

In other news......I drove thru Kansas again this past June headin' over to Mizzura. I kept looking around for you and even asked at a few truck stops if anybody knew of you. No luck.

Foley
Greenwood, CA



LOL Foley you asked about me? You don't know how big I'm grinnin right now. :lolsmack2:


Where did you ask? I know I've said it before but while I can type out a line on the interwebs I sure can't talk in real life. I'm awful at social stuff. I either say the wrong thing, crack a stupid joke, or just stand quietly feeling awkward. I did meet up with CoyoteRun once and that went pretty well but he's a great guy. Big talker and easy to talk to. I felt right at home. (Thanks Coyote!)

The point is I don't really know many people that you could have run into aside from a couple of school connections and direct neighbors. But man if you had lucked out and hit someone that knew me that would have been too cool! :yourock:

I sure miss this site. I need to hurry up and finish this stupid fence so I can get on Cecilia again. I should just plan a day, suck up the social anxiety and send out a mass email inviting everyone over for old trucks, burgers and hotdogs. We might have to beg neighbors for parking, but I can cook at least. :)

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Ok boys and girls! Let's change a fuel pump....


Tools you will need:


1/2" wrench or socket AND wrench
Flathead screwdriver
New fuel pump (49.99 with lifetime warranty)
About 45 minutes of time






First, let's look at where the fuel pump is located. Some people have replaced their stock mechanical (rod moves up and down to pump gas) pump to an electric one (electric motor pumps the gas instead). Mine's still mechanical. And if it wasn't, I'd replace it with one. :thumbsup:


The fuel pump is the silver disk looking thing to the right of the alternator in the pic here, right on the front of the truck.

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You should disconnect the battery negative terminal while doing this so a kid or a random screwdriver doesn't turn the motor over and pump gas all over you or cut your face off with the motor's fan.


Now to the fun part. I ordered part number M20021 from O'Reilly's Auto Parts and it was a direct fit. First, I disconnected the line that runs from the pump to the carburetor with a 1/2" wrench.


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Next I took out the bolts that go into the engine, leaving the intake line for last. These were also 1/2".


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When you get those two bolts out the whole thing just unplugs from the motor with a big long hangy-down thing sticking out of it. :ahhhh:


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Gratuitous picture of the box the new pump came in. I don't know why they pictured the long plastic cylinder thing on the box. It wasn't inside.


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Now take your screwdriver and take off the worm clamp on the hose running into the bottom of the fuel pump. I didn't have a screwdriver. I had a dime.


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Once it's loose just pull off the bottom hose and yank that old crusty thing out. but don't toss it yet!

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See those brass fittings? They don't come on the new pump! Take your wrench and screw them off. I used the round end of my wrench for the long, bottom one. I used the same thing to tighten it on the new one.


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[FetchMeAPepsi]

i used the open end for the other fitting. If you wedge one of the lips into the hole you can turn it pretty easy and it doesn't mess up the threads :my2cents:


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Now slip the gasket on his hangy parts so it doesn't leak. :saywhat:


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Go ahead and carefully run the bolts into the motor now. Mine kept trying to cross thread. Maybe my fingers are crooked. You don't need to torque them down to 9000 lbs either. Just snug.

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Here my phone got too hot and quit working (97 degrees at this time) so I couldn't take a pic, but you should connect the bottom hose once the motor bolts are connected. Otherwise you won't ever get anywhere.



I found I had to take the line off the fuel filter up by the carb to get the top line to reconnect right. Notice I had a screwdriver now. Much easier!

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Then I connected my carb to pump line snugly.

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And finally I just had to reconnect the fuel line to the filter.

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And that was it! I then connected my battery to the wrong posts and fried my new alternator. ARRGH!!! But I was able to get her started and let her run again. It took about 30 seconds of crank to get gas to the carb. Then she fired right up and ran sooo smooth! I'm surprised by how much different she sounds. I guess the poor girl was starvin!

I'll replace the alternator offsite because I already did that once not too long ago, then Cecilia's taking me and the kids to the dump to get rid of old fence material.


Thanks for reading! :yourock:

[TJ's GMC]

Great write up! :thumbsup:

[jagarra]

Nice write up Fetch. Just a word about new fuel pumps, check the bolt on the bottom of the bowl of the pump to make sure it is tight. Mine was leaking after I installed it. Easiest to tighten when off, and don't ham fist it either, we don't want to crack the lil darlin'.

[GMCDAC]

Thanks for another down to earth writeup Fetch. Glad to know you are getting along ok. If Foley would have been able to find you he would have dropped by like he did us in 2014!

DAC

[6066gmcguy]

Its always fun to read your post, your quit the story teller.

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Great write up! :thumbsup:

Thanks TJ! I'm going to be reading your build in a sec :thumbsup:

Nice write up Fetch. Just a word about new fuel pumps, check the bolt on the bottom of the bowl of the pump to make sure it is tight. Mine was leaking after I installed it. Easiest to tighten when off, and don't ham fist it either, we don't want to crack the lil darlin'.

Oh, sneaky! I didn't think about it being loose anywhere. I'll give that a check this evening. I've got a free hour and I was going to monkey with the 2nd gear thing anyway. I'll be sure to get it done then!

Thanks for another down to earth writeup Fetch. Glad to know you are getting along ok. If Foley would have been able to find you he would have dropped by like he did us in 2014!

DAC

Haha! now that would have been somethin!

Its always fun to read your post, your quit the story teller.


Thanks for readin! I still get a kick out of that Rescue Squad. Every time I pull it up the Powder Puff bugs me about a visit :woohoowave:

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Well I thought my "won't stay in second gear" thing was an issue with the linkage but it seems like even if I run it all the way up it still doesn't stay in second. Might have to pull the transmission again and see what's shakin in there. Maybe I put it together wrong?

Just spitballin as I fiddle with ideas today...

[TJ's GMC]

Mine has a tendency to grind into 4th unless I wait longer than normal shifting. Syncros probably a tad worn. lol

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Mine has a tendency to grind into 4th unless I wait longer than normal shifting. Syncros probably a tad worn. lol


That's where I'd look too but...I've got the old muncie 318 - My synchros don't exist :ahhhh:

I have to doubleclutch to second then I'm OK in third cuz of engine speed. Right now I'm going from 1st to 3rd and she sure don't like that :lolsmack2:

[FetchMeAPepsi]

The baby's birthday came and went this past weekend so I took her annual photo on Cecilia. Last year I just put her on a bucket that was about stepside height but that made me feel bad. So I spent 20 minutes piddling around and put the driver's side step back on her before the photography session this time.

I love that I can work on Cecilia with a couple of screwdrivers, a set of standard wrenches, and a set of standard sockets. I can just about fix anything on her with that set of tools. Old trucks are awesome :teehee:



Since I took the step off I put it back together much easier, knowing what I was getting into. Old me would have bolted the top of the step first. New me put the angle bracket on first this time.

Putting the bracket up in the rails got my eyes full of crusty dust, but it was expected. Cecilia drops her flakes where she pleases. It's punishment for not Por-15'ing her when I had the bed off :lolsmack2:



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After getting the bracket attached I put in the five or so bolts along the bottom. Tiny 7/16" little suckers. Hard to hold on to with gloves.


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After that I set the old man on it to test it. Yep, holds very nice! :thumbsup:


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And the final result:


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For comparison here's the first pic at 1 year old. Notice The Redhead hiding behind the spare tire in the bed. She held The Baby up until the moment of the pic then ducked back down for a split second to snap the pic, then popped back up and made sure The Baby didn't fall. :lolsmack2:



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Another year in the books. They grow up so fast! :oldman:

[aphaynes]

Awesome! That they do. My now 12 year old thinks Rusty is going to be what she learns to drive in. :lolsmack2: Little does she know how much muscle she will need to steer it. :bigyikes:

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Well guys, it seems like every time I get a spare dime or a spare moment I got other projects and honey-dos to do. The Redhead just got herself a new-to-her mustang (1999) so I'll be helping with that. Might practice a little painting with it too. I'm toying with the idea of sitting that one out though and letting her do the work with me doing the "Iced Tea Supervising" that dads do sometimes. We'll see how that goes.

On top of that the catalytic converter is going out on my main family vehicle so I've got to come up with a way to cut it out or bypass it somehow. Not sure how they work yet, but I do know I don't need one.

If I get caught up Cecilia will be back on deck. I just wanted to let you guys know she wasn't sold or rotting in some field somewhere. I still love her as much as the first day. I just can't play with her like I used to.

To make up for the lack of updates here's a pic of the Powder Puff at age 11 on her spot. She keeps begging me to turn wrenches.



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[Hantke]

Sounds like you're keeping busy! Glad you're still at it!


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[GMCDAC]

Good to hear from you Fetch, thanks for the update!

DAC

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Another update with an unexpected twist. My father had a heart attack. He was down on the ground and turning blue with zero heartbeat. If not for another person nearby that found him and called 911 we would have lost him. :ahhhh::ahhhh::ahhhh:





So I'm in the process of dialing back my life and responsibilities :coffee::turtleride: so I can spend some good, quality time with the man doing the things he loves - fishing and hunting.




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The plan is now this:
Get his house sold and liquidate everything that is "extraneous junk" he owns. :helpsign:
Move him here in town close to me
Get licensed for hunting and fishing
Get a boat and some thundersticks :teehee:
Take a boating safety class and hunter safety course
Kill some pigs/deer/rabbits and fill the freezer
Catch some crappie and bass & fill the freezer some more
Commence "Making memories" with the grandkids as long as possible.:upyes:


A lot of this is outside of my wheelhouse, but he grew up in the country with real dirt floors and will be a big help. After his heart episode we figure at most (statistically) we have 5 years left with him, more likely 1-3 years. I plan to put as many smiles on his face as possible until that time comes.

Oh, and I'll probably put the boat in the Other Rides section (Sorry Ron! :bricks:)
so you guys can see what I'm doing and offer help if you can. You guys know me,
any input you have is always appreciated!

I have zero experience with boats and not much money so anything I buy will need to be
worked on I'm sure. But once it's finished I have to be honest - I can't wait
to drag a boat to the lake with Cecilia! :woo:

When it's all said and done we should have some great pictures and fond memories with a man that made me what I am today. He's seen a lot since 1945. Some good and some bad. I'm going to do my level best to make sure the last thing he remembers is grandkids and giggles.
:thumbsup:

[George Bongert]

Greetings Fetch!

Sorry to hear that your Dad had a heart attack. Hopefully you will have more time with him than you anticipate. Hope he recovers quickly. Make the most of every moment that you are able to spend with him. My parents are both gone, and there are many times that I wish they were still here. So many questions to ask for which there will be no answers.

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Greetings Fetch!

Sorry to hear that your Dad had a heart attack. Hopefully you will have more time with him than you anticipate. Hope he recovers quickly. Make the most of every moment that you are able to spend with him. My parents are both gone, and there are many times that I wish they were still here. So many questions to ask for which there will be no answers.

Thanks George. That's what hit me when I got the call. OMG I'm not ready yet! What happened to the time? :pullinghairout:

That reminds me, for any of you guys that didn't get the chance, what kind of questions would you have asked if you could talk to your father again?

I'm a list guy so I'm putting together a list of questions about his childhood, my childhood, trends, twists, marriage advice, etc to grill him with. He's easy going so I'm lucky there. I can always ask him a question and expect an honest answer, even if he doesn't like to talk about the subject (like the Vietnam war- his least fav subject and where he lost his hearing on one side)

[George Bongert]

Thanks George. That's what hit me when I got the call. OMG I'm not ready yet! What happened to the time? :pullinghairout:

That reminds me, for any of you guys that didn't get the chance, what kind of questions would you have asked if you could talk to your father again?

I'm a list guy so I'm putting together a list of questions about his childhood, my childhood, trends, twists, marriage advice, etc to grill him with. He's easy going so I'm lucky there. I can always ask him a question and expect an honest answer, even if he doesn't like to talk about the subject (like the Vietnam war- his least fav subject and where he lost his hearing on one side)

Hello again Fetch!

Yeah, there are still many questions that I'd like to ask my Dad. Since my Dad lived through most of the last century, (born in 1906--died in 2000) he was a veritable wealth of things that happened, like the Great Depression, World War II, gas rationing, the dust bowl years, the earliest he had ever sown oats, and so on. While we did get some information from him, there is still more that I would like to know, especially about the Depression and War years. Now, given the time frame that he was alive, you would naturally assume that I am much older than my age of 66 years. You see, my Dad didn't get married until he was 42, and Mom was younger than my Dad by a few years. I wish us kids would have recorded him on tape. It would have been a lasting legacy, not only for my Brother and Sister, but also for his Grand Children, and generations to come. And as to time passing, it goes by altogether too fast, and I've come to the realization that I have to make the most of every moment that I'm able to spend with my Kids and Grand Kids. By the way, thank your Dad for his Service to our Country. I am an Associate Member of the Marine Corps League, and I volunteer at our local Veterans home. Again Fetch, I hope you have more time with your Dad than what you anticipate.

[Funky61]

How blessed you are that your Dad was found in time. I'm liking your list of questions and the opportunity to just have time with him and find out all those details. Who wouldn't want the opportunity to have a few years more with their Dad? All the best for you and your family. (Thundersticks=LOL)

[GMCDAC]

Fetch, go take all the time you need with Pa! Ain't nothing more important. Don't set any store with "statistics". I know a lot of folks that should have been dead a long time ago if statistics were accurate. Mom lived 5 years longer than she was told to expect. Live it like you only have tomorrow though.

Wish I could get a few minutes back with my folks, best I can do is get Mom's GMC back on the road for her.

DAC

[WDShaffer]

My dad is 75, mom is 82. Both honery as all get out...and 2 hours away. I'm feeling your angst about the distance. Imagine 3 generations under Cecilia's hood! Memories for sure.

Regarding the catalyst, if you have not found a solution yet. Pep Boys, Jegs, Summit will have exhaust tubing. A piece of that and a cheap stretcher from the import tool place, and you can fab up a filler to clamp in place of the cat.

[aphaynes]

I know you and your dad will have a lot of good times! My folks are in there mid 70's and 10 hours away. I have been trying to convince them to move here, but they grew up in the town they are in and dad refuses to move. :( Glad to see you and your dad will be making the most out of life since none of us really know when our time will truly be up.

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Thanks guys. I love this place :)

WD, will a pipe cause my computer to have a fit?

[WDShaffer]

Nope. The O2 sensor is close to or in the exhaust manifold. Unless you have a fancy car with dual cats, and dual O2 sensors. Lots of YouTube videos on the topic I bet.

[FetchMeAPepsi]

I hurt the baby today. :(

I was feeling the Cecilia bug and pulled her around to the garage. She needed air in two tires so I did that and charged her battery for a bit. Then I took her down to the school to pick up the kids. They were pumped
:teehee:

But then when I got back I thought, I have a little time! I'll see if I messed up that gear connection to the shifter and maybe that's why she doesn't stay in 2nd gear.

My thinking is that when I put the transmission back together I missed when I aimed the forks into the gears so it never truly sinks into second gear anymore. It just pops back out when I apply torque.

So I drained her new fancy tranny fluid. It was dark and probably could have used a draining anyway. Check out the cracks in my brand new paint job. What's up with that? I must have done something wrong. Best to learn my technique stinks now I guess rather than after I paint her all over. :(



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Then I took out the four bolts holding the tranny cover on.



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Actually I took out three, then I had to remove one of the mounting bolts to get the fourth one out.



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Then I fiddled with the big pepsi can looking gear inside. It seemed to be lining up OK with the fingers of the shift cover. I put it back on and that's when my world turned upside down. I tightened the cover and heard a loud POP!


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As you can see I cleanly busted the entire ear off of the bolt hole on the transmission! AHHHHH!:ahhhh:

One of the bits of the shift cover wasn't settled in properly and it was gapping at the top (which I couldn't see from underneath) and when I tightened it down it popped on me.I wonder if I can weld it? If not I guess I'll be in the market for another one. Dang it! Horrible timing, Fetch! :bricks::poopfan2:

[WDShaffer]

Regarding the paint, without seeing the steps in the process, it could be many things. A combo of thickness and weather when applied, surface prep.

Regarding the cover, I bet you can find one faster than learning the art of repairing cast steel/iron.

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Regarding the paint, without seeing the steps in the process, it could be many things. A combo of thickness and weather when applied, surface prep.

Regarding the cover, I bet you can find one faster than learning the art of repairing cast steel/iron.


Thanks WD! I put an ad on the website here. We'll see how it goes. I didn't see anything on CL or Ebay that was close enough to run and fetch.

For the paint, I did a simple clean with SuperClean, then wipe down and paint I think. I don't think I put primer on it. Learning as I go :)

How do you guys do engines?

[bobdylan]

I would be tempted to put it back together using lots of silicone, grind a flat spot into your cover, use a longer bolt and a heavy washer big enough to extend beyond the break and catch the cover. I think the jumping out is more linkage adjustment, and worn bushings. Classic parts has the bushings.

[FetchMeAPepsi]

I would be tempted to put it back together using lots of silicone, grind a flat spot into your cover, use a longer bolt and a heavy washer big enough to extend beyond the break and catch the cover. I think the jumping out is more linkage adjustment, and worn bushings. Classic parts has the bushings.


I messed with the linkage till my eyes crossed. I can't see any way to make it stay in second any better. I'll try some more and see what happens. Tuesday I'm off but I have to take The Redhead's mustang in for a look see.

None of you guys are familiar with a 97-00 Mustang are ya?

[azlamm65GMC]

Thanks for showing your build its helped me on mine a ton. Awesome

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Thanks for showing your build its helped me on mine a ton. Awesome

Welcome! I'm glad it helped. :signthankspin:




I think I've got a new tranny cover on the way along with some other parts for Cecilia from a good friend so once the boat's out of the way (another week?) I'll be back on Cecilia again :woo::yes::poopsign:


Today I went out and tried to find where my rear end gear ratio is stamped (and failed. How the heck do I find the gear ratio?) but while I was out I went ahead and changed the sneaky under-cab fuel filter. The replacement I used was the WIX 33271.

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The Powder Puff is getting older so she was out shopping for groceries with her mom. The Master Mechanic came along today, complete with his Cub Scout cap so he could look like Daddy :thumbsup:

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This sneaky filter is hidden here under the passenger side seat, hanging down like boobies on a boar.

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Now I did turn the motor over first, to make sure the gas tank was dry. Because if you don't make sure the tank is dry.....oops! :ahhhh:


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Guess she wasn't quite dry. About two quarts ran out and right up my arm!:helpsign:





The new filter came with a new rubber seal too. Nice! I put it on the rim of the cup that screws on. That was great, but I forgot to pull the old seal off so it didnt' seal at all. The old seal is probably stuck on the truck end of things and must be yanked off with a booger picker. (no pic of that).

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I quick changed out and mashed the filter on. Notice the glistening on my hand there. That ain't sweat!

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Gas still poured. :lolsmack2:

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But I got it all tightened back up and now she's ready for the next step along the way.

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Yeah, it's a small update, but any progress is progress, right? I'm just too excited to get the transmission sealed back up again so I can move back to the Rockwell and the rear end, then por 15 on the whole lot of it.

[Cayoterun]

Welcome! I'm glad it helped. :signthankspin:




I think I've got a new tranny cover on the way along with some other parts for Cecilia from a good friend so once the boat's out of the way (another week?) I'll be back on Cecilia again :woo::yes::poopsign:


Today I went out and tried to find where my rear end gear ratio is stamped (and failed. How the heck do I find the gear ratio?) but while I was out I went ahead and changed the sneaky under-cab fuel filter. The replacement I used was the WIX 33271.

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The Powder Puff is getting older so she was out shopping for groceries with her mom. The Master Mechanic came along today, complete with his Cub Scout cap so he could look like Daddy :thumbsup:

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This sneaky filter is hidden here under the passenger side seat, hanging down like boobies on a boar.

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Now I did turn the motor over first, to make sure the gas tank was dry. Because if you don't make sure the tank is dry.....oops! :ahhhh:


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Guess she wasn't quite dry. About two quarts ran out and right up my arm!:helpsign:





The new filter came with a new rubber seal too. Nice! I put it on the rim of the cup that screws on. That was great, but I forgot to pull the old seal off so it didnt' seal at all. The old seal is probably stuck on the truck end of things and must be yanked off with a booger picker. (no pic of that).

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Pepsi: By chance, does you differential have a metal tag on one of the housing bolts? Many years ago a lot of them had a metal tag with the ratio, etc. stamped them hung on one of the bolts. They also got lost over the years, or gears had been changed, but not tag info, too.

Just a possibity????

[TJ's GMC]

Progress is progress! Real easy way to tell a gear ratio. Jack up the back end...mark the drive shaft and a wheel. Turn the wheel 2 revolutions. If the drive shaft turns under 4 turns then you probably have 3.54 or 3.73. If it turns more than 4 you should have 4.11.

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Pepsi: By chance, does you differential have a metal tag on one of the housing bolts? Many years ago a lot of them had a metal tag with the ratio, etc. stamped them hung on one of the bolts. They also got lost over the years, or gears had been changed, but not tag info, too.

Just a possibity????

No such luck, amigo. I looked all around that sucker and all I have is some numbers stamped into the axle that apparently mean not much of anything. :(



Progress is progress! Real easy way to tell a gear ratio. Jack up the back end...mark the drive shaft and a wheel. Turn the wheel 2 revolutions. If the drive shaft turns under 4 turns then you probably have 3.54 or 3.73. If it turns more than 4 you should have 4.11.


That's pretty simple. I'll give that a shot. Thanks TJ!

[Charon]

Pep. You kill me. That's all I will say.

[Culver Adams]

[QUOTE=FetchMeAPepsi;62612]

Today I went out and tried to find where my rear end gear ratio is stamped (and failed. How the heck do I find the gear ratio?) but while I was out...

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Hi Cecilia, Fetch, The Blond, and all the little Fetches,

I'd like to side track your blog by asking a hundred questions and passing on twice as many thank-you remarks. A voice in the back of my head tells me to stick to the topic for the sake of your other readers. That means we have to get together for a ...hmmm... oh yeah, Pepsi. In the meantime, please consider the new gap in radio air waves, caused by Prairie Home Companion's changes, and see if you have the spare time to put Cecilia, Fetch, The Blond, and all the little Fetches on the air, or into a novel, or on screen.

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Subject: Re: [oletrucks] Rear end
Date: 11/4/03 ?
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Jack up both sides of the rear of the truck.

Place a tape or chalk mark on the 12 o'clock position of a rear tire.

Also note the the position of the drive shaft and mark the drive shaft so it's revolutions can be counted.

Turn the marked tire one full revolution and count how many times the drive shaft rotates.

It's easy to distinquish between a 4:11 rear end (one tire revolution equal 4.11 turns of the drive shaft) and, for example, a 2:73 rear end. It's harder to distinquish between close rear end ratios.

Therefor, it is best way to remove the differential cover, count the pinion and ring gear teeth and divide the one by the other.

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Date: 11/4/03
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If both rear tires are rotating the same direction, it is one revolution.

If one rear tire is prevented from rotating, it is two revolutions.

If one tire is held and the other tire turns, the spider gear in the differential causes the drive shaft to rotate at half the speed it normally would. This works the other way too. If you brake one wheel the other one will spin twice as fast. Don't try this at home.

Don't forget to put the transmission in neutral.

Bruce Kettunen
57 3200
Mt. Iron, MN

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With a helper you can mark the tire and drive shaft and roll the car one revolution of the tire and count the number of turns the drive shaft goes around.

With two wheels up and positraction with both wheels turning the SAME direction when rotated the same applies.

With an open differential and one wheel on the ground, 2 revs of the tire and count as best as possible the number of revs of the drive shaft that is the ratio. (Example: 3.5 drive shaft revolutions is a rear end ratio of 3.5:1.)

Ed ke6bnl

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Hope this helps: it's old information but probably still works (like Cecilia, me, and other stuff).

Regards,

Culver
1961 GMC K1500
Minneapolis, MN

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Today I went out and tried to find where my rear end gear ratio is stamped (and failed. How the heck do I find the gear ratio?) but while I was out...

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Hi Cecilia, Fetch, The Blond, and all the little Fetches,

I'd like to side track your blog by asking a hundred questions and passing on twice as many thank-you remarks. A voice in the back of my head tells me to stick to the topic for the sake of your other readers. That means we have to get together for a ...hmmm... oh yeah, Pepsi. In the meantime, please consider the new gap in radio air waves, caused by Prairie Home Companion's changes, and see if you have the spare time to put Cecilia, Fetch, The Blond, and all the little Fetches on the air, or into a novel, or on screen.

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Jack up both sides of the rear of the truck.

Place a tape or chalk mark on the 12 o'clock position of a rear tire.

Also note the the position of the drive shaft and mark the drive shaft so it's revolutions can be counted.

Turn the marked tire one full revolution and count how many times the drive shaft rotates.

It's easy to distinquish between a 4:11 rear end (one tire revolution equal 4.11 turns of the drive shaft) and, for example, a 2:73 rear end. It's harder to distinquish between close rear end ratios.

Therefor, it is best way to remove the differential cover, count the pinion and ring gear teeth and divide the one by the other.

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Date: 11/4/03
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If both rear tires are rotating the same direction, it is one revolution.

If one rear tire is prevented from rotating, it is two revolutions.

If one tire is held and the other tire turns, the spider gear in the differential causes the drive shaft to rotate at half the speed it normally would. This works the other way too. If you brake one wheel the other one will spin twice as fast. Don't try this at home.

Don't forget to put the transmission in neutral.

Bruce Kettunen
57 3200
Mt. Iron, MN

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With a helper you can mark the tire and drive shaft and roll the car one revolution of the tire and count the number of turns the drive shaft goes around.

With two wheels up and positraction with both wheels turning the SAME direction when rotated the same applies.

With an open differential and one wheel on the ground, 2 revs of the tire and count as best as possible the number of revs of the drive shaft that is the ratio. (Example: 3.5 drive shaft revolutions is a rear end ratio of 3.5:1.)

Ed ke6bnl

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Hope this helps: it's old information but probably still works (like Cecilia, me, and other stuff).

Regards,

Culver
1961 GMC K1500
Minneapolis, MN



Hey Culver! How ya been buddy?!?!


That was great info too! Someone today emailed me and said "Hey, dummy. Take the cover off the rear end and IT'S STAMPED RIGHT THERE!"

Um...

I thought, well that's too simple. Probably never work. They probably stamped "Made in China" on mine, my luck being what it is. But since I was taking the cover off anyway, I thought I'd go ahead and change out that nasty gear oil that's in there too. Here's what I did:


First, I gathered all the players together. There's a large crescent wrench too, but I didn't have it for the picture. And the transfer pump isn't necessary either. Oh, and please keep in mind that I wasn't ready to totally re-do the rear end yet so I don't have the por-15, the de-greaser, and all the cleaning stuff. So yeah...she's not going to look much different, but it's what's on the inside that counts. Here in a few weeks we'll get in there and put the clean to her.

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Tools you will need:

A large crescent wrench
A tub to drain old oil into
A socket wrench
A 1/2" socket
Two 1 qt bottles of Redline 75W90 Gear Oil (number 57904)
Some soap and water
A wire brush or a wire wheel on a drill (best)
Possibly a 1/2" wrench if you can't get to all your bolts
A stick for cat poo
About 30 minutes of time for you, about 2 hours for me.



First toss your bucket/pail/drain pan under the rear end like so.

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Then if you're in a sandy area like me, get your poo stick or board and bulldoze the top layer of sand off out of the way so you don't lay your face in cat poo. It really draws the flies. :ahhhh:


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Now remove all 243 1/2" bolts from the rear end, starting with the one clamped to the brake line (so you can move it around) and ending with the one at the very top (so it doesn't fall over on you and splash your purty face). Oil will begin to leak out of the bottom when you get those bottom bolts out.

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Now take the final top bolt out and just pull it off like a mask on halloween.

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And you'll see this.

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But Cecilia has a few issues in here. See these gouges? They don't look factory.

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Also she has one tooth that's broken off on the large gear that goes up and down. You can see it toward the bottom (actually the right because this pic is sideways).


I found it in the bottom of the case along with some more metal. Make sure you rake that bottom out real good and look for surprises.

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Here's my stamps. I still don't know what kinda rear end this is.

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That last pic shows a 4/12, at least that's how it looks to me. So reading it the way I think it's supposed to be read, it was built in 1961 and it's a 4.12? There's not a 4.12 so that makes no sense. :teehee:









Because my bolts were covered in nastiness I used this handy dandy metal bowl to wash them in.

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I also took a wire wheel to the bolts to shine them up a little.

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[6066gmcguy]

Looks like you'll be needing a new carrier and gears.

[FetchMeAPepsi]

With the bolts done as well as they're gonna get, I put the cover back on, starting with the top bolt and leaving the brake line for last so I could wiggle it around again to get to the bolt holes.

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Now get your big fat crescent and pull this fill-hole bolt out.

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Pull the top off of a bottle of this...

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And glug glug glug! She's supposed to drink 1.3 quarts of the stuff. Cecilia drank 1 1/2! But that's because...

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It was leaking out the front! Didn't I just replace this seal? What the heck?

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Maybe not, but it sure seems like I did. Either way I'll need to replace it soon. The oil made it to the fill line (it started coming back out the fill hole).

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So I just buttoned 'er up. And that was it!

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It was interesting that I had a tooth break loose. I'm guessing that's what caused the gouges on the case thingy in there. I don't *think* it'll be a long-term problem since I got it out of there, but I might look into getting new gears in the future. That's not a pretty sight and I wouldn't want to go dragging anything too heavy with missing teeth until I've talked to someone that knows better.

:teehee:

[bigblockv6]

Looking at the pic of the ring gear numbers I see 47-12 not 4/-12:lolsmack2: So you take 47 divided by 12= 3.91666, in other words you have the 3.92 ratio. That's a real good ratio for a 4wd half ton:upyes:

[Ed Snyder]

Looking at the pic of the ring gear numbers I see 47-12 not 4/-12:lolsmack2: So you take 47 divided by 12= 3.91666, in other words you have the 3.92 ratio. That's a real good ratio for a 4wd half ton:upyes:

3.92 was the standard ratio for the 4x4s in 1962. That's what my Suburban came from the factory with. It's got 3.54s in it now.

[bigblockv6]

Ed, actually the 3.54 was the standard ratio on 4wd models in 62, my father's 62 K1000 had 3.54 gears so the 3.92 was optional:ok:

[TJ's GMC]

3.92.....seems I've heard of those. Were they are special order? Or was that standard on a 4x4?

Looks like a new rack and pinion are in store!

[bigblockv6]

The 3.92 were optional on 4wd models, most came with the 3.54 ratio.:upyes:

[TJ's GMC]

The 3.92 were optional on 4wd models, most came with the 3.54 ratio.:upyes:

Little steep for towing, but it sure sounds nice! haha!

[bigblockv6]

The good thing about having 3.92 gears is you could install larger diameter tires without compromising much of a power loss:thumbsup:

[Charon]

So Pep. Now two different problems to sort out. The second gear jumping out. And the nice looking d44 . don't feel bad. That rear problem is common on that rear in a truck. So first. The problems with the peanut. Two things most likely. Second gear coupling gear is worn. Or input shaft bearing is wonky. Now I don't remember what bearing you used. But the new replacement bearing for the 318 is not the same depth. Its .040 less. This causes the whole thing to move in and out. Probably this is what that knock you hear is from. So that's my educated guess. The rear. Well time for that powerlok upgrade. And a new ring and pinion.

[Charon]

Oh the trials and tribulations of poor Cecilia. Now I for to thinking. Hmmmm I said. I parted out a few 63 gmc 4x4 trucks back in the day. Sadly better trucks than yours. But they are just trucks. So me being the absolute truck parts hoarder. Went and looked in the gear box garage. Now all sorts of gears go there. Hundreds of gears. Transmission gears differential gears. And guess what. A very nice 3.92 d44 set. With.... Drum roll please... A 1-31-63 date. I remember the truck. I drove it in. T case was toast. No good tires. In the 80's I could not get two hundred for it. So I ripped it to bits and sold all the good stuff. I always tore the frontends apart. The axles and spindles always made me a few hundred. So now Cecilia can get the ring and pinion.

[Charon]

Crazy!

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Looking at the pic of the ring gear numbers I see 47-12 not 4/-12:lolsmack2: So you take 47 divided by 12= 3.91666, in other words you have the 3.92 ratio. That's a real good ratio for a 4wd half ton:upyes:

Well that makes a ton (half ton!) more sense! :signthankspin:

3.92 was the standard ratio for the 4x4s in 1962. That's what my Suburban came from the factory with. It's got 3.54s in it now.

Cecilia may have been a forest truck before joining a farm so it's possible she was just ordered with all the standard stuff for a longstepper.

Ed, actually the 3.54 was the standard ratio on 4wd models in 62, my father's 62 K1000 had 3.54 gears so the 3.92 was optional:ok:

:boggled: I don't know what's standard, but I think Ed has some books (IIRC) that would tell us what's special order or standard. If it's Ed I'm thinking of. It could be anybody though, my brain is scrambled eggs with a drippy plate.

3.92.....seems I've heard of those. Were they are special order? Or was that standard on a 4x4?

Looks like a new rack and pinion are in store!

Yeah, things aren't pretty in there. She still drives, but that's a scary scratch mark!



Little steep for towing, but it sure sounds nice! haha!

I'm going to try to put the boat behind her once I get the trans cover fixed and see how she does around the neighborhood. That's 2000 lbs. Not hefty, but not a buncha nothing either. Might be a good tester!


The good thing about having 3.92 gears is you could install larger diameter tires without compromising much of a power loss:thumbsup:

Exactly what I plan to do eventually! :thumbsup:

So Pep. Now two different problems to sort out. The second gear jumping out. And the nice looking d44 . don't feel bad. That rear problem is common on that rear in a truck. So first. The problems with the peanut. Two things most likely. Second gear coupling gear is worn. Or input shaft bearing is wonky. Now I don't remember what bearing you used. But the new replacement bearing for the 318 is not the same depth. Its .040 less. This causes the whole thing to move in and out. Probably this is what that knock you hear is from. So that's my educated guess. The rear. Well time for that powerlok upgrade. And a new ring and pinion.

That's above my head at this point. You guys might have to talk me through that one if you're willing and able! :signthankspin:

Oh the trials and tribulations of poor Cecilia. Now I for to thinking. Hmmmm I said. I parted out a few 63 gmc 4x4 trucks back in the day. Sadly better trucks than yours. But they are just trucks. So me being the absolute truck parts hoarder. Went and looked in the gear box garage. Now all sorts of gears go there. Hundreds of gears. Transmission gears differential gears. And guess what. A very nice 3.92 d44 set. With.... Drum roll please... A 1-31-63 date. I remember the truck. I drove it in. T case was toast. No good tires. In the 80's I could not get two hundred for it. So I ripped it to bits and sold all the good stuff. I always tore the frontends apart. The axles and spindles always made me a few hundred. So now Cecilia can get the ring and pinion.

Hey! Now how about that? I bet it had a Rockwell in it, huh? Send me a bill and I'll see if I can scrape up the $$. Thanks Charon!

[Charon]

Ok Pep. I have been looking at pics of the peanut rebuild. Two things caught my eye. First. One of the needle bearing set ups looked like it was short a few needles. Its the pic without the rubber band's. Second the 2-3 shift fork appears to be worn. So how bout you pull it out. And lay it all out on a clean bench. Then you can see what is wrong. And like I told you in an email. I will get the bits to you. And I am still thinking how to walk you through the rear end. Its a bit above your pay grade.

[FetchMeAPepsi]

And the heavens parted, and lo, I heard a voice above me that said, "An SM318 in it's entirety awaits you, my son. Go forth, and repair your beloved."

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Story: As most of you guys know I've been looking for a replacement side cover for Cecilia's tranny ever since I busted mine off being an idiot. They're hard to find here. I thought I had one sourced but the fella got busy I guess.

Then out of the blue yesterday I saw this sucker pop up and I jumped on it with both feet and growled a growl of satisfaction, like you do after finishing a whole plate of lipsmackin' bbq ribs by yourself.

As usual, life is in the way right now but this is the best news I've had on ol' Cecilia in a long, long time.


I also just found out my other truck has a no-compression cylinder so that's due for a rebuild (I'm learning stuff, eh? Remember page 1? :teehee::teehee:) and I have to get rid of The Redhead's mustang (butt pictured above). Too much work needs to be done on it so I just picked up The Wife a new ride and passed her old (safer) car down to The Redhead.

So...once the pony is gone I'm pulling Cecilia in the garage and putting her new tranny in. Woohoo! The whole kit and kaboodle is getting replaced!


:woo:

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Today I took my brand new transmission out to the yard and laid it in a bed of leaves. Why? Well it's fall of course! The only yard I have left is leaves!

:teehee:


Then I sprayed him down with Easy Off oven cleaner and let him sit for 2 hours.

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Afterward I hosed him off real good and ran a scrubber over him to get the caked on yum-yum off.

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After giving him another hour to dry off in the crisp autumn air I moved him to the work bench where I removed his tail section bolts. I also needed that hour to clean off the work bench :bricks:


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Two of the bolts were missing, but as my feeble old mind recalls they're used to mount a bracket. I've got plenty of bolts so it wasn't a problem for me.

It also had a Chevy style bracket on the top. I just removed it. I won't be using that of course.

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This time I didn't have a vise to work in. I tore it up doing ball joints for my other truck. Not a fun job, but not as bad as you'd think. Anyway, I took this leftover 4x6 post from building my fence and stood it up edgewise. Then I drilled a 1 1/4" hole all the way through it with a wood bit.

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Then I stuck my transmission front through that hole. It wanted to fall so I put a leg on it to keep it upright.


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Here it is sticking face down, butt up in the air as I take the side cover off.


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And here's the side cover as it came off. See how the larger fork kind of bends one direction? I wonder if I had that turned around on Cecilia and that kept him from going into second gear completely? Hmmm....


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And here's a pic of the inside just in case I screwed something up in there :cheers:



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A couple more of the innard pics


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With the side cover open I was able to pull the tail piece up and out


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As it pulled out I heard that same sound that I heard before that freaked me out. It sounded like dropping a handful of marbles in the toilet.


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Remember all those blasted needle bearings? I sure hate dealing with those suckers! Anyway, next I pulled the ring off of the gear inside. It just kinda quarter-twists up and then out the side.


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It's just a little round rubber band of a gear.


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Showing the teeth. Say cheese!

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Next came the coke can looking one.

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I put them both on the tailpiece exactly as they came out to make sure I didn't mess them up.



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See all them dang bearings? Grrr!



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I used my magnetic pencil to collect all the bearings (again).



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It also pulled out those little bearing holders.



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Then on the tail piece there's this keeper. I used my newish tool for clips to expand it. It doesn't have holes to put the tool in, but you can wedge it in there and get it to expand anyway.


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While holding the clip open I gently (very gently) tapped the gear sticking out the tail with my hammer. This walked the whole shaft out the front. I didn't bang it very hard this time at all. I learned my lesson when I banged the front one last time. Remember my bearing wouldn't fit anymore? I had to file it down!



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After about 4 or 5 bonks the shaft fell out the front. Here you can see it moving, notice the c clip groove is moving forward (to the left).


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And here's a peek down the empty tailshaft! It's pretty clean in there, all things considered!


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Now I knew the tail gasket was bad in the back so I wanted it out. It had water in it from my washing. So I went to pull it out like I did the last one with my crowbar. No going! It didn't budge. So I took my new pull hammer to it.


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The seal didn't come out, but this little ring did! I don't remember seeing this on Cecilia's tranny. It holds the seal to the shaft!


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I finally got it out by destroying it. I drove a screwdriver down the side of it and pried up.



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And then I took that tailshaft outside to give it a good wire-wheeling. I'm a'gonna paint this sucker! :teehee:

It took 3 batteries and about an hour to wheel all the rust and gunk that was left over from the bath. I got it all done though. He's shiny as a new penny and ready for prepping. Here I ran out of time so the rest will have to wait a day or two. Here's a pic of the middle of the job. Very nice before-after pic, eh? :thumbsup:



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All that wire wheeling left my tailpiece really clean! Or so I thought! This may be why my paint didn't stick really well last time I did this.

I took my tailpiece in to the kitchen sink (don't tell The Wife!) and sprayed it down with Super Clean. Look at the mess that was still on there!


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After another 30 minutes of spray, wash, rinse cycles my towel started looking like this.


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Another 10 minutes and my paper towel came away pretty clean. I rinsed it off again with the veg sprayer and let it dry for about 30 minutes, until there was no water or wet spots left. Then I hit it with Ospho to attack any rust and give the primer something to hold on to.


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You have to keep the Ospho wet by reapplying for 30 minutes so I did that. Then I rinsed it all off again with the vegetable sprayer and let it dry again for about 30 minutes until there was no wet spots left.

I was left with a slightly chalky white and black patina. I took that in the garage and put it on a football player's face.


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Then came the super sauce. I swore I'd never buy this stuff because it was so expensive, but I found these tiny cans in a six pack for $43.00. Tiny cans, less waste, less cost? I had to try it out!


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Did I mention these cans were tiny? WOW!


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I held my breath, donned my gloves, and got to painting with a paint brush.


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And wow, it came out very glossy black! I put two thin coats on, letting them dry about an hour between coats.


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I ended up barely using one of the cans so I put a small sandwich baggie over the opening and sealed it back up with the lid. Hopefully the bag keeps the whole thing from sticking together so I can't get it open again!


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And that was it for today.

[FetchMeAPepsi]

I forgot to mention a part number on that rear seal, it's MasterPro PT 9613S


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For the rest of the gaskets I went with ClassicParts


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[GMCDAC]

Lots of good info as usual with your posts, Fetch, keep it coming!

Thanks, DAC

[TJ's GMC]

Looks good! Transmissions can be scary. haha

[mvmtoys]

:welldone:

[bobdylan]

Did you find all the needles? I waited to look at a manual until I had bearings all over, somewhere I found a count on how many of each size I needed, good thing I was short some, they were stuck down in the tranny.

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Lots of good info as usual with your posts, Fetch, keep it coming!

Thanks, DAC


Thanks Dac! I try. Never know when I'll have to re-do a project :teehee:



Looks good! Transmissions can be scary. haha


They sure can. This is my second trip down this road though so I'm hardened steel now.

:welldone:

:thanks:

Did you find all the needles? I waited to look at a manual until I had bearings all over, somewhere I found a count on how many of each size I needed, good thing I was short some, they were stuck down in the tranny.

Haha! Yep, I had that problem the first time too. I use a magnet to dig them all out now. I forget the count, but there's just enough to make you think you got 'em all plus 1.

:lolsmack2:





I've been busy so I haven't finished this project. This week the Powder Puff was out of school (finally!) so we got to work. I love being able to scrub the trans case in the sink without worrying about The Wife knowing. They're so small!



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After the scrub, re-scrub, and Ospho wash we were ready to Por-15 him. Here's the Powder Puff playing with the cheapo throw-away paint brush. She got that outerwear cammo outfit for her birthday this year (12) so she can go on her first deer hunt. I gotta get my dehydrator ready for that jerky!

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And now the application. We gave him three coats this time, instead of two. No reason why except I saw someone else do three coats somewhere. The instructions say two.

I also loosened the bolts so they don't get painted together.


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The bolts I had removed altogether got their little caps painted too. I stuck them in pencil holes in this moth ball box to let them dry. Only two coats on them though, I don't need them changing sizes on me. :teehee:



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And look at this! Some of my bolts came clean with my ATF/Actone mixture (homemade PB Blaster) and kept their original reddish paint on! I'm going to see if I can match it again.

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One little note about making your own soak - don't put it in a Folgers plastic coffee can. Those things will hold the liquid, but the second someone knocks them off the bench you'll have your own little environmental disaster to clean up. And it ain't fun. Ask me how I know.....:helpsign:

The next time I make some I'm putting it in something with a screw-top lid!

Here's the case all painted up.


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And this was supposed to be a shot of the cover (my most desperately needed part) but I guess my photographer's aim was off. :lol:

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And that's it. I just need to find a paint color and get to work on the heavy stuff. The Powder Puff and I are going fishin on Monday to get ready for our first tournament, then next weekend (Jan 1) we're going deer hunting. That might be a story too.

[Cayoterun]

Thanks Dac! I try. Never know when I'll have to re-do a project :teehee:






They sure can. This is my second trip down this road though so I'm hardened steel now.



:thanks:

Hey, Fetch and crew: Good to see you back skinnin' your knuckles. Powder Puff is sure growing! Won't be long 'til you'll have more boys wanting to help tinker, than you can shake a stick at.----Weell, maybe you'll need to shake the stick.




Haha! Yep, I had that problem the first time too. I use a magnet to dig them all out now. I forget the count, but there's just enough to make you think you got 'em all plus 1.

:lolsmack2:





I've been busy so I haven't finished this project. This week the Powder Puff was out of school (finally!) so we got to work. I love being able to scrub the trans case in the sink without worrying about The Wife knowing. They're so small!



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After the scrub, re-scrub, and Ospho wash we were ready to Por-15 him. Here's the Powder Puff playing with the cheapo throw-away paint brush. She got that outerwear cammo outfit for her birthday this year (12) so she can go on her first deer hunt. I gotta get my dehydrator ready for that jerky!

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And now the application. We gave him three coats this time, instead of two. No reason why except I saw someone else do three coats somewhere. The instructions say two.

I also loosened the bolts so they don't get painted together.


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The bolts I had removed altogether got their little caps painted too. I stuck them in pencil holes in this moth ball box to let them dry. Only two coats on them though, I don't need them changing sizes on me. :teehee:



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And look at this! Some of my bolts came clean with my ATF/Actone mixture (homemade PB Blaster) and kept their original reddish paint on! I'm going to see if I can match it again.

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One little note about making your own soak - don't put it in a Folgers plastic coffee can. Those things will hold the liquid, but the second someone knocks them off the bench you'll have your own little environmental disaster to clean up. And it ain't fun. Ask me how I know.....:helpsign:

The next time I make some I'm putting it in something with a screw-top lid!

Here's the case all painted up.


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And this was supposed to be a shot of the cover (my most desperately needed part) but I guess my photographer's aim was off. :lol:

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And that's it. I just need to find a paint color and get to work on the heavy stuff. The Powder Puff and I are going fishin on Monday to get ready for our first tournament, then next weekend (Jan 1) we're going deer hunting. That might be a story too.

Hey, Fetch: Glad to see you back skinnin' knuckles again. Powder Puff is sure growing. Won't be long 'till you'll have more boys hangin' around wanting to mow the lawn, wash parts, or clean the shop than you can count.

Just wanted to wish all of you down there a "MERRY CHRISTMAS" from our tribe here in the windy flatland.

Cayoterun.net

[TJ's GMC]

Trans looks great! Nice an shiny! :thumbsup:

[kchampagne]

Hey Fetch, I vaguely remember you had a crack in your bell housing. Did you ever fix it/find a replacement? If not, I saw this one on the other site.

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Hey, Fetch: Glad to see you back skinnin' knuckles again. Powder Puff is sure growing. Won't be long 'till you'll have more boys hangin' around wanting to mow the lawn, wash parts, or clean the shop than you can count.

Just wanted to wish all of you down there a "MERRY CHRISTMAS" from our tribe here in the windy flatland.

Cayoterun.net

Buddy I'm so sorry. I haven't been back since Christmas break with the kids. I hope you all had a good one! And Merry Christmas for 2017 too! :thumbsup:

Tell the "Fence Post" I said Hi!

Trans looks great! Nice an shiny! :thumbsup:

Thanks TJ. It's still slick as a mirror. That Por 15 is expensive but very nice stuff.

Hey Fetch, I vaguely remember you had a crack in your bell housing. Did you ever fix it/find a replacement? If not, I saw this one on the other site.

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No, that wasn't me KC. I do have a small leak at the slave cylinder but for now I've just been refilling my brake fluid and carrying on.


I ended up blowing the lower unit on the boat (bottom bearing rusted out) and had to put it on the shelf for rebuilding so I slammed the transmission back together and put it in the shed for safekeeping, still shiny black.

Then, to get Cecilia ready for winter I tried to run her a bit with antifreeze in the radiator but she wouldn't start. I cranked and cranked till the battery ran down then I sprayed starting fluid in and she'd puff a little and try to start, but not really.

I figured it maybe wasn't getting gas to the carb so I poured a little gas in and that was gone in a second. She has a new pump so I figured that couldn't be it. The gauge said I had 1/4 tank. So I stuck a broomhandle down the gas fill neck and it came back wet so I was stumped.

Well after pulling off the under cab filter again I noticed that almost no gas ran out and up my arm (in my hair, and everywhere else it likes to go while your hand is trying to screw the cap back on...) so either there was a blockage in the tank or there was no gas.

So I pulled off the sending unit in the tank. It's just about 6 little screws, a grounding wire, and a tube connection (no pics this time, sorry!).

And the float came out with a big split in it. Also, it wouldn't go all the way down and still register on the gauge. And the tank was empty except for a little dab in the bottom, apparently below the pickup line.

Isn't this the second or third time I've ran out of gas now? What's wrong with me? :teehee:

Anyway, so I ordered a replacement from Classic Parts for $39.00 shipped. I love how so much of this stuff is cheap as dirt.

Also, I got the 30 ohm version. There's a 90 ohm version too, but from the website:

30 ohm sending units work with original style fuel gauges up thru 1966 trucks. 90 ohm sending units were used on most 1967 and later trucks. If you are using modern gauges (Dakota Digital, Classic Instruments, etc.. ) make sure you are using a 90 ohm sending unit to get a correct fuel level reading.

[TJ's GMC]

Glad the fix will hopefully be a simple one. :thumbsup:

[OdieTN]

Hey Fetch! How is Cecilia coming along? I've really enjoyed your thread. I'll be doing my carb this weekend, so I appreciate all you help with that for sure. :thumbsup:

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Glad the fix will hopefully be a simple one. :thumbsup:

You know me better than that, TJ! I put the new one in, it still registers as 1/4 tank full, and to top it off the connections don't seal and it sucks air like a bike pump. I still haven't got her running yet. I'm hoping to have some time this next weekend to tear in there and figure it out. That 1/4 tank thing is bothering me though. It should show "empty", but it doesn't. Resistance issues maybe? My ground is good. I love electrical problems...
:pullinghairout:

Hey Fetch! How is Cecilia coming along? I've really enjoyed your thread. I'll be doing my carb this weekend, so I appreciate all you help with that for sure. :thumbsup:

Hi Odie! Thanks for reading my mess! I hope the carb comes along great for you and your little helpers. There was a big difference in how she ran after I got mine rebuilt and tuned. She still pops and coughs sometimes when I throttle up (maybe too rich?) but when I mash that gas she'll wake right up and cruise. No muffler so everyone freaks out a little if they're driving a ricebox beside me, but she'll do 0-60 in 30 seconds. I mean minutes. :teehee:

[FetchMeAPepsi]

It's one of those days. :winter::winter::winter: It's freakin' cold outside and I'm planning all the stuff I could be doing if it were warm. I want to learn how to mix concrete and build a concrete drive or pad (same thing?). I want to clean out my gutters. I want to buy a new grill and make some steaks in the evening sun....

But I really want to get my baby running again. I still have this gas issue. I hope to pull her apart again tomorrow and get her running. It's been so long now that I'll have to air up the tires again haha.

:teehee:

Tomorrow my morning temps will be below freezing in the morning, but it should warm up enough by afternoon that I can turn a wrench on her. If I get her running again I might even make a trip to the dump for fun and drop off some of these "treasures" I been hoarding around the house.

[FetchMeAPepsi]

And to top it off, all my planning means I'm looking on ebay for cheap stuff, tools, mischief, and whatnot. i'm spending more money than if I was really working on things, and this is just the planning stages. I mean, do I really need a $300 concrete mixer from harbor freight? Do I?

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[kknotts]

Fetch is ALIVE!! Was wondering about you the other day.

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Fetch is ALIVE!! Was wondering about you the other day.

Hey Kknotts! I'm glad to hear you think about me :cheers:

I think about you guys too. I miss being here every weekend posting updates. I do have a little one today. :thumbsup:


I unscrewed my gas line again to make sure it was fitting right. Here's what it looked like.

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Then I pulled it all the way out to take a peek at the end to see if it was buggared up. It wasn't.


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So I stuck two fingers on the other side of the hose to make sure it was lined up right, then I tightened it back up real good.


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See? Real good!


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Then I went through my jump battery and all three boat batteries trying to start her up. I even put starting fluid and gas in the carb.


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She'd puff puff and then die every time. Still not getting gas through the line, and I'm not sure why. The fuel pump is relatively new. I might pull the fuel sending unit back out and make sure it doesn't have some kinda cap on the end next. It SHOULD be running through there like an obedient troop of boy scouts but it's starving.

Back to square 1. :banghead:

[James]

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I had a similar problem with the engine not getting fuel and I had change my fuel sending unit when I first started to work on my truck (fuel gage would not work). In my case everything was fine. Then slowly I notice the carb was not getting enough fuel until it quit providing me fuel. I am using an electric fuel pump and I notice that it was not changing tone (was pumping only air at this time) when the carb became full (engine not running at this point). I had disconnected the fuel line from the sending unit and found it dry. I connected a rubber hose to the line and turn the key on, pump change tone and the engine started with no problem. On a closer examination of the fuel sending unit I notice the brass fitting didn't look right and didn't match the original mounting position on the line and the solder didn't look like it had bonded. I removed and leak check the sending unit and found it was leaking at the solder joint. I got my torch out and removed the brass fitting, then I found out it was barely on the line. I cleaned the inside of the brass fitting and the line. The I reassembled it making sure the brass had bottom out on the line and the solder (using acid core solder) was all the way around. I wash the sending unit inside and out with water then blow dry with compress air. Then I put it back in the truck and had no further problems with fuel delivery.
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[FetchMeAPepsi]

I had a similar problem with the engine not getting fuel and I had change my fuel sending unit when I first started to work on my truck (fuel gage would not work). In my case everything was fine. Then slowly I notice the carb was not getting enough fuel until it quit providing me fuel. I am using an electric fuel pump and I notice that it was not changing tone (was pumping only air at this time) when the carb became full (engine not running at this point). I had disconnected the fuel line from the sending unit and found it dry. I connected a rubber hose to the line and turn the key on, pump change tone and the engine started with no problem. On a closer examination of the fuel sending unit I notice the brass fitting didn't look right and didn't match the original mounting position on the line and the solder didn't look like it had bonded. I removed and leak check the sending unit and found it was leaking at the solder joint. I got my torch out and removed the brass fitting, then I found out it was barely on the line. I cleaned the inside of the brass fitting and the line. The I reassembled it making sure the brass had bottom out on the line and the solder (using acid core solder) was all the way around. I wash the sending unit inside and out with water then blow dry with compress air. Then I put it back in the truck and had no further problems with fuel delivery.
:rowdybeer::upyes:


:upyes:

James you trouble-shot the heck out of that problem! so I just need to get in there with a torch and see if the fitting is loose?


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:upyes:

James you trouble-shot the heck out of that problem! so I just need to get in there with a torch and see if the fitting is loose?


Mine was not loose, just poorly assembled and not fully seated. Sorted like they bump it after solder and tried to put it back together before the solder solidify. This resulted is a tiny air gap in the connection. Be sure the sending unit is removed from the truck because the torch will make many pieces of you and your truck.:ahhhh: We need you to hang around for a very very long while.

[FetchMeAPepsi]

Mine was not loose, just poorly assembled and not fully seated. Sorted like they bump it after solder and tried to put it back together before the solder solidify. This resulted is a tiny air gap in the connection. Be sure the sending unit is removed from the truck because the torch will make many pieces of you and your truck.:ahhhh: We need you to hang around for a very very long while.

Mine turned out to be a "pizza-junk". I finally got time to jump out there and fiddle with it today for a while. And get this, the Powder Puff made it out too! Once they get older they just don't like to sweat a drop anymore. I've come to accept it I guess, but when they get a little dad-sick and come out from the air conditioning to spend time with me it sure does make me happy.
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So we started off pulling the 5 screws, two nuts, and one pipe off the sending unit - again.

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Then on a whim, I thought, "May as well remove that nasty old gas in the tank while I"m in there" so I removed the bolts holding the straps on the tank. That's really all that's holding the tank in there. Plus one worm strap thingy on the fuel neck.


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The worm strap was 3/8", I could barely get to it with a wrench, but here's what it looks like.


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These straps are just springy metal straps, but they're bent to fit the tank. If you don't move them behind the tank, you'll swear it's bolted down somewhere else.


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I picked it up from the passenger side. That made the driver's side where the fill tube is go down, With a little wiggling it popped free and didn't spill a drop of old, yucky gas.

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Oddly, the whole collar came loose instead of just the part I loosened. I guess it was loose way up in there where it connects to the fill hole.

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And although my sending unit said I was empty, it was half full of yellow, gross gasoline. No wonder it was so heavy!


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And when I emptied it out in responsible manner that the EPA would approve of, and not in dead spot in my yard, :teehee: , all the insides were covered in what looked like rust!

And check out what my sending unit looks like after only a few weeks sitting in the tank. The float even has holes in it!

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So now I'm thinking I need to replace the gas tank, or maybe coat it? And I definitely need a new sending unit.

[Ed Snyder]

And although my sending unit said I was empty, it was half full of yellow, gross gasoline. No wonder it was so heavy!

So now I'm thinking I need to replace the gas tank, or maybe coat it? And I definitely need a new sending unit.

I recently went through the same scenario with my '67. My recommendation would be to go with a new tank. They're not that expensive.

[GMCDAC]

Wish you were closer Fetch, I've got a nice clean tank from a '64 Chevy truck you could have. Probably would be the same.

DAC

[aphaynes]

Glad to see PowderPuff joined you. :welldone:
Maybe that's what's up with my tank. It always hits empty at about half a tank, even after I replaced the sending unit. I thought the gauge might have an issue.

[FetchMeAPepsi]

I recently went through the same scenario with my '67. My recommendation would be to go with a new tank. They're not that expensive.

I looked at some of the guys that did the coating/cleanouts. Not real convinced that isn't just causing more trouble with scale breaking off, more rust later, etc. I think you're right Ed. :thumbsup:

Wish you were closer Fetch, I've got a nice clean tank from a '64 Chevy truck you could have. Probably would be the same.
DAC

Thanks Dac! This isn't the first time I wished we were closer! I'm going to start pouring green persimmon water between your place and mine tomorrow morning. By this time next year we should have all the space drawn up between us then we can do some real building, haha! (Green persimmons = super sour. Pour on ground to create instant black holes. Dilute for safety!)


Glad to see PowderPuff joined you. :welldone:
Maybe that's what's up with my tank. It always hits empty at about half a tank, even after I replaced the sending unit. I thought the gauge might have an issue.

I also think the sending units they send us don't reach to the bottom of the tanks. I'm going to monkey around with this when the new parts come in and see if I need to bend the intake hose down further, or maybe add a pickup hose. :newidea:


Well I broke down tonight and place an order with LMC Trucks. I usually order from Brothers, but dang they wanted over $60.00 more for the exact same products! Not today, Satan!

Here's the bill for a sending unit and new tank:

1 32-5921 GAS TANK-17 GALLON 149.95
1 32-4015 SENDING UNIT 49.95

Parts Total: $199.90
Delivery & Handling: $27.75
Oversized Part Fee: $20.00 (Fuel tank)
ORDER TOTAL: $247.65

[jagarra]

When I bought my replacement tank I also ordered a new sending unit. I ended up using the old sending unit as the fittings were a different size for the fuel line to the carburetor. ( I think they were the next size smaller)

If your filter neck grommet is in bad shape, now is the time to replace. I will say one thing, the new rubber items didn't hold up nearly as well as OEM items, mine is cracked after a couple of years.

[FetchMeAPepsi]

When I bought my replacement tank I also ordered a new sending unit. I ended up using the old sending unit as the fittings were a different size for the fuel line to the carburetor. ( I think they were the next size smaller)

If your filter neck grommet is in bad shape, now is the time to replace. I will say one thing, the new rubber items didn't hold up nearly as well as OEM items, mine is cracked after a couple of years.

Good idea! Mine is cracked too. I ordered another from Steele Rubber because everyone says they're tough stuff. Expensive stuff is more like it!
I sure hope it lasts!

Fuel neck grommet p/n: 70-1942-41

1 $39.70
Subtotal: $39.70
Shipping: $11.73
Tax: --
Total: $51.43

[jagarra]

I checked out their site. Interesting that less parts were listed for the GMC than for the Chevy even though most of the items they list can be used on the GMC as well.

[James]

I also think the sending units they send us don't reach to the bottom of the tanks. I'm going to monkey around with this when the new parts come in and see if I need to bend the intake hose

The next time I work on my tank I going to install a HydraMat Fuel Pickup.
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I will have to adapt it from 3/8" NPT to a 5/16" line. It will get every drop of fuel out of the tank.

[snazzypig]

Fetch, I think we all really enjoy following your build adventures! Slow but steady. Reminds me of me and probably a few others on here!

Sure hope your new gas filler grommet from Steele holds up. They do have an excellent reputation. Like many others, I went to a lot of trouble to put on one of the foreign made grommets, only to see it crack and disintegrate in only a few months. The 58 year old grommet I replaced was still serviceable though showing it's age. Says a lot about genuine American made quality!

I recently ordered two grommets from <br><font color='red'>To view some links or images in this forum your post count must be 1 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Maybe you should introduce yourself with a new topic?</font><br> in Olympia Wash. (Click on 60-66 Truck Parts, then Rubber & Weatherstrip). They are made in the USA and were extensively tested before being put on the market. Come with a lifetime warranty and sell for $9.95 each. The pair I ordered cost $23.40 shipped. Just an option to consider. They look good and fit well. Time will tell how well they hold up.

[FetchMeAPepsi]

I checked out their site. Interesting that less parts were listed for the GMC than for the Chevy even though most of the items they list can be used on the GMC as well.

I agree! I wrote to them about it but didn't hear back.



The next time I work on my tank I going to install a HydraMat Fuel Pickup.
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I will have to adapt it from 3/8" NPT to a 5/16" line. It will get every drop of fuel out of the tank.


That looks cool! I wonder if it really works? I know some shirts are made like that for sweat, but I never noticed a difference in them. I think for $150 they better work though, right? Let me know how it turns out! :thumbsup:



Fetch, I think we all really enjoy following your build adventures! Slow but steady. Reminds me of me and probably a few others on here!

Sure hope your new gas filler grommet from Steele holds up. They do have an excellent reputation. Like many others, I went to a lot of trouble to put on one of the foreign made grommets, only to see it crack and disintegrate in only a few months. The 58 year old grommet I replaced was still serviceable though showing it's age. Says a lot about genuine American made quality!

I recently ordered two grommets from <br><font color='red'>To view some links or images in this forum your post count must be 1 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Maybe you should introduce yourself with a new topic?</font><br> in Olympia Wash. (Click on 60-66 Truck Parts, then Rubber & Weatherstrip). They are made in the USA and were extensively tested before being put on the market. Come with a lifetime warranty and sell for $9.95 each. The pair I ordered cost $23.40 shipped. Just an option to consider. They look good and fit well. Time will tell how well they hold up.


Thanks Snazzypig! I would work on her a lot more but, to be honest, I had too many dang kids! Love them all, but man I don't remember what a hot meal tastes like at this point. Too much to do, skates and necklaces to fix, booboos to kiss, homework to help with, and so on and so on.

I rest easy in the fact that one day I'll need all the help in the world and they'll be there for me too. At least hopefully one or two will. I had enough that I'm going for the shotgun approach, haha!

Hey, let me know how those filler grommets work out. I know I got the expensive one, but everyone swore that Steele rubber was the only rubber they trusted for weather stripping and such so I wanted to be safe. I hated spending the money so if yours hold up I'll make a note of it when I buy weather stripping and get it there instead.

I got a little surprise in the mail today. I don't know why my camera has so much blur to it. Maybe the Powder Puff has been taking smoochie pics with it again and got the lens chap sticky. Girls can be weird.
Here's the lil' blonde instead. Powder Puff had homework.

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Here it is next to the old rusty one. Note the new coating on the new one that makes it kinda gray looking instead of shiny stainless. I kinda prefer the shiny, but I get the reason for the paint.

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To refresh my memory in the future, I wrote the place I ordered it from and the date on the tank. This way I'll know how long it lasted when it dies. I also went back and wrote "17 gallon" on it as an afterthought.


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My sending unit will be here on Monday. Once it arrives I should be able to fire her up again! She's been sitting just about the entire summer! Watch out, world!

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[FetchMeAPepsi]

I can't leave things alone. I took a sawzall to my old gas tank. (It was fumed out by now, of course). Look inside this thing! This is my fill tube!

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And look at the rust that was knocked loose by me cutting it apart. The grass is because I mowed.


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The rusty made-in-china sending unit....I broke the float arm off and removed the pickup screen so I could see how far the pickup tube went to the bottom now that my tank has a...view port...haha!


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And what do you know? It actually pokes pretty deep into there. There's about an inch of clearance on the bottom! I still think I'll bend mine down an inch so it can get to every drop.


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I also got my super expensive (possibly unnecessarily so!) fill grommet installed. It's the only thing holding the fill tube in the truck, in case you didn't know!

Here is what it looked like to begin with.

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I just took a pair of pliers (actually channel locks) and a flathead screwdriver and started rip-snorting through the cracked pieces to get it pulled free.


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One of the pieces was still stuck to most of the good rubber and pulled it out like this.


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So I had this in my hand.

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I wire wheeled it to get some of the rust off and shine it up a touch.


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I never could get it inside the face to get all the rusty color out of it, but it looked a lot better than it did before. So I stuck the new grommet on it.

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And check out the size difference. The old grommet was larger. :(
I worked the lip around with the screwdriver until it was seated back in its hole. It wasn't hard. The new rubber was very pliable.


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And this is the final result. Tada! I'll have to do it all again if I ever paint her, I guess.


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Oh yeah, and my new sending unit came in. I plugged one end and blew the other to check for leaks. Seemed pretty tight! Also, this one is labeled as STAINLESS STEEL, whereas the other one was just labeled POOP, I mean, CHINA. :teehee:


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I'll try to get the tank in this weekend if it doesn't get nasty or I don't get covered up in Honey-dos. Vroom vroom!

[James]

[QUOTE=FetchMeAPepsi;69575]I never could get it inside the face to get all the rusty color out of it, but it looked a lot better than it did before. So I stuck the new grommet on it.

And check out the size difference. The old grommet was larger. :(
I worked the lip around with the screwdriver until it was seated back in its hole. It wasn't hard. The new rubber was very pliable.


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And this is the final result. Tada! I'll have to do it all again if I ever paint her, I guess.


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The trick to install the filler neck grommet is to installed it first in the truck. Then put a light coat of Vaseline on the grommet and the filler tube. Then it slide in easily. The same go for the interconnecting hose.

[snazzypig]

Another fine adventure there Fetch! If you can afford to keep non ethanol gas in your new tank it won't rust out so quickly.

To add to James' tip, I first slide the filler hose over the filler neck and tighten the upper clamp securely. Then insert the neck up through the grommet. I like to spray rubbing alcohol on the parts which makes things slide in place easily and it leaves no residue. Vaseline or grease works too. Next, hang the lower clamp over the gas tank neck. Then block up or have someone raise the passenger side of the tank, and slide the tank over to meet the lower end of the hose. Lower the other end of the tank so that the neck rises to meet the lower hose. The hose should be as low as possible so you can access and tighten the lower clamp. If your spacing is good at the top, the filler neck will protrude the right amount.
I'm sure there are other good ways to do this job, this is just what works for me.

With all your little helpers ready to help Daddy, it should be a fun project!

[FetchMeAPepsi]

The trick to install the filler neck grommet is to installed it first in the truck. Then put a light coat of Vaseline on the grommet and the filler tube. Then it slide in easily. The same go for the interconnecting hose.

Another fine adventure there Fetch! If you can afford to keep non ethanol gas in your new tank it won't rust out so quickly.

To add to James' tip, I first slide the filler hose over the filler neck and tighten the upper clamp securely. Then insert the neck up through the grommet. I like to spray rubbing alcohol on the parts which makes things slide in place easily and it leaves no residue. Vaseline or grease works too. Next, hang the lower clamp over the gas tank neck. Then block up or have someone raise the passenger side of the tank, and slide the tank over to meet the lower end of the hose. Lower the other end of the tank so that the neck rises to meet the lower hose. The hose should be as low as possible so you can access and tighten the lower clamp. If your spacing is good at the top, the filler neck will protrude the right amount.
I'm sure there are other good ways to do this job, this is just what works for me.

With all your little helpers ready to help Daddy, it should be a fun project!


Great tips guys! The rubber Steele uses is very pliable so it slips in easily ungreased, but I did tie the filler neck to it before putting it back together this time.

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I started with taking the dang thing off again (figures!)


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Then I shoved it into the rubber hose that connects it to the tank.


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Then I went and stuck the anti-squeakers back in place under the tank. These feel like they were once gasket material just cut to fit. I bet you could make some new ones real easy, but I didn't have any gasket material so they went back on.

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The tank fit right back up the hole area like it should. Now I pushed the filler neck on and it slid on very easily.


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At this point I needed a helper and had none. So I made one. This is Board. He's my new best friend. I think next time the kids say "Daddy, I'm bored" I'm going to say, "That's great! I needed a board. Come hold this for me."


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Board held the end of the gas tank up so that I could walk around and maneuver the hose on the end of it. He's a good boy.


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This is where it left me on placement. Whoops!


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So I slid the rubber hose connector up a bit to the end of where the tank neck changes from round to a flattened shape and tightened it down. This gave me very easy access to the...well it's not a worm clamp. I don't know what you'd call this thing, but it held nicely when I tightened it up.


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Then I held the end of it while Board slowly lowered the other end. Ok, I stuck a hammer handle in this end and moved ol' Board. He was tired anyway.

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And see how nicely it came through?

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Stupidly, I went ahead and tightened the straps now. I should have put the grommet on the filler neck outside and got everything lined up. But I didn't.


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I went ahead and put the sending unit in now too. I bent it about 1 1/4 inches down and put it in there. Of course it didn't fit, and I had to bend it back. I took it in and out about three times. Fun!


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After getting all the wires and stuff connected I checked the gauge, and it still read just under 1/4 tank. I guess I'll need a resister in there somewhere. A project for another day.

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So I put the grommet outside back on (after re-doing it a few times for uh...practice)...


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And put a couple of gallons of gas in her. No pic of the fillup because I needed two hands and Board was resting after all his hard work.


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Oh, here's one of the gauge. I missed it earlier.

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Anyway I was ready to start. And I'm not a complete idiot, I primed the carb. Then I turned the engine over. And over. And over. And she never even tried to run aside from the priming. Not a lick!

I crawled under to check the under cab filter so see if gas was going through the tubes and guess what?


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Yep, a cracked gasket. I had to buy a whole new filter because nobody sells just the rubber gasket.


And you'd think that was the end of it, but no. (more when I get a free minute tomorrow or the next day!)